Not Stepping Aside – What Do We Do?
Democrats are good at killing themselves politically in elections. We are also good at not pushing back when our candidates are under fire. Instead, we find excuses to promote others as substitutes. Or, we take our voting to other extremes such as voting for Disney characters, the family dog or cat, themselves, etc.
You do not believe such? Twenty-sixteen was the year of the “Others” vote which put a potential criminal and now an indicted “potential” criminal in office. I have displayed the voting numbers often enough. They were an ~ three times what they were in the previous election and other elections as well. Cute voting action and results, wasn’t it?
Now, we have a sector of our media and others asking whether Biden should step aside due to his age and supposed gaffs in public.
I am not sure I could say things correctly in public 100% of the time. It was never in my nature. My results in other endeavors such as supply chain speaks for itself having cut $millions in costs, improving job performance, and department related efficiencies. The last three pandemic years of issues were mostly supply-chain related. Even now the Saudis hope to harm us using supply as its cudgel. By far, we survived a pandemic caused economic disaster because of Biden’s economic and supply chain policies.
So What Do We Do with Biden? Annie has some answers to the question.
Biden WILL NOT Step Aside – So What Do We Do? annie asks you . . .
Because of President Biden, Trump lost.
Because Trump lost, NATO was strengthened.
Because NATO was strengthened, Ukraine didn’t fall.
Because Ukraine didn’t fall, Russia is in disarray.
Because Russia is in disarray, Putin is panicked.
Because of President Biden. pic.twitter.com/Skpz0ZZ4qg— Jane of the North (@JaneotN) June 28, 2023
As anyone who’s been reading my posts is aware, I’m a strong Biden/Harris adherent (not uncritically).
But I am, of course, concerned about Biden’s age. And though it’s grossly unfair, the fact that the mainstream media focuses so intently on Biden’s age—rarely mentioning that of his likely opponent, the 77-year-old, dissolute, quadruply indicted, insurrection-inspiring, Putin/Kim admirer who’s publicly stated his plans to dismantle our democracy—reinforces the issue in the public’s mind.
This past Sunday, blogging friend Infidel753 had several links to articles on this topic. One in particular forced me to reexamine my position that Biden must run in 2024 despite his age. I’m sharing my thoughts with you in the hopes that our dialogue here will perhaps help clarify the ongoing debate.
A.B. Stoddard is a thoughtful conservative political columnist now with The Bulwark (a conservative anti-Trump enterprise). Her article for that publication on August 31 blared: “To Beat Trump, Democrats Need a Whitmer-Warnock Ticket.” Her article is worth reading and considering—though it would have been more appropriate a year ago.
Stoddard maintains that voters find Biden’s age disqualifying; thus, she makes the case that Democrats must turn to “younger talent in 2024.”
Let me state at the outset that I find both Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer and Georgia Senator Raphael Warnock strong and attractive political leaders. They are two of a number of strong and attractive younger Democrats in office, and I look forward to their future endeavors.
For now, I’m focusing on several of Stoddard’s major points.
Those Ubiquitous Polls
Stoddard’s premise is based in large part on the polls, which she calls “alarming.” So perhaps it’s time to revisit the words of Simon Rosenberg, who gained prominence last year as one of few who said there’d be no red wave.
Rosenberg points out that polls are merely a snapshot in time with little predictive value.
“Like 2022, polling right now is not doing a good job capturing what happens
when people actually vote—which is we [Democrats] keep winning.”
He is referring to the special elections in places such as Jacksonville (Florida), Colorado Springs (Colorado), Ohio, and Wisconsin.
“Taken together, this is all very encouraging, and to me, this data matters much more
than polls paid for by Rupert Murdoch or what is clearly an outlier (CNN).
A recent Wall Street Journal poll was conducted by Trump’s election strategists, but no mention was made of that fact.
We’ve known since 2022 at least, that the Republicans have been throwing biased and poor quality poll results into the mix. Unfortunately, the press largely accepts unquestioningly and parrots whatever comes out.
More to the point, at this time in 2012, no poll showed Obama defeating Mitt Romney. That’s why one of the people instrumental in Obama’s success (I can’t remember which one) said recently that the Democrats should stop being “bedwetters” and get into gear for Biden/Harris.
Biden’s Performance in Public
Stoddard notes that:
“This vulnerability cannot be wished away with Bidenomics or some Red Bull and
vitamin B shots. Biden can’t effectively counter the impression that he is too old
because he can’t interact with voters, or reporters, frequently and vigorously.
“Being up to the job in private is another story, to be sure—he can nap and do his job
quietly and effectively with help from an able staff. But if he were capable of
portraying himself as possessing the requisite energy to publicly carry out the duties of
the hardest job on the planet for another five and a half years, he would simply be doing so.”
Well, he just did.
Robert Hubbell itemized “Biden’s five-day world tour.”
“President Biden has just completed a grueling five-day trip around the world. His schedule included the following:
“Thursday: Depart DC, layover in Germany for refueling.
“Friday: Arrive in India; Biden meets with Prime Minister Narendra Modi
“Saturday: Biden participates in seven separate meetings at the G-20 summit in New Delhi.
“Sunday: Depart India arrive in Vietnam; Biden participates in four meetings, then holds a press conference.
“Monday: Biden participates in seven events/meetings in Vietnam; departs for Anchorage; arrives in Anchorage and delivers remarks honoring [9/11] first responders. Departs for Washington, DC.
[Hubbell includes the president’s full calendar, but the link has been updated to today. It still shows a busy schedule.]
“Five days, three continents, twelve meetings, one press conference, and five presidential daily intelligence briefings—that is a lot by any measure! The G-20 meeting was a qualified success, given the complications presented by Russia’s war on Ukraine and China’s stance toward Taiwan. As summarized in the NYTimes by Michael D. Shear,
“In three days of diplomacy in Asia, President Biden rallied world leaders to help
finance poor nations, fortified the coalition backing Ukraine and struck a deal with
Vietnam to counter Chinese aggression.”
But Hubbell points out that “after a grueling schedule and multiple diplomatic successes,” the media focused on how he looked at the closing Anchorage press conference. “He spoke softly and appeared tired,” The Times wrote, and Biden had closed his remarks by saying “I am going to go to bed.”
That bit of humanity set off a flurry of “Biden’s too old, Biden’s doddering, etc, etc.”
Hubbell concludes:
“In short, Biden’s five-day world trip was an unqualified success. Except in right-wing
media outlets and its ‘centrist’ sympathizers.”
I watched his Anchorage speech, primarily a tribute to the 9/11 first responders, which he made before an audience of service members stationed at the base from which the flights took off 22 years ago to protect the skies after the towers were hit.
He went off script to note the dangerous divisions at home and to call for American unity. I found his speech affecting.
He did look and sound tired. Who wouldn’t?
In truth, Biden has always bungled words, fought the remnants of his childhood stuttering, told hokey stories that went on too long. None of that seemed different to me.
But how many American politicians could have met with all those world leaders and obtained the agreements he did?
His accomplishments are inextricably linked to his experience, which is inextricably linked to his age. He manifests a wisdom, collegiality, and grace in his interactions on the world stage.
And after he made the Anchorage speech, he didn’t exactly rush off to bed. He made his way among the service men and women, shaking hands and smiling broadly, as did nearly all of them in greeting him.
The Looming Possibility of a “McConnell Moment”
I can’t disagree with Stoddard’s contention that the potential for a “McConnell moment” is a serious worry.
“Biden doesn’t have to end up in a health crisis in the hospital for the bottom to fall out.
Should he have an episode like the two Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell has
now had, freezing up and temporarily unable to speak, the party will have to move
quickly to replace him in order to have a shot at winning a majority of voters next
year. (McConnell is 81; Biden is less than three months shy of his 81st birthday.)”
McConnell’s apparent seizures have been attributed to a serious fall in which he suffered a concussion. Biden fell not long ago, and though the press and right-wing were all abuzz about his alleged frailty, he quickly got up and was fine.
The circumstances of that fall aren’t well known, but they were instructive. He had delivered an address at the Air Force Academy graduation and then handed out diplomas, greeting and saluting each of the hundreds of graduates, on his feet for hours.
When he left the lecturn, his path was dark, and he stumbled over a sandbag no one had seen. Those details appeared in a letter to The New York Times from an attendee, the parent of a graduate, who remarked how difficult it would have been for anyone of any age to stand for hours—saluting, handing over the diplomas, and chatting with each graduate.
When the press asked how he was after the fall, he laughed and said: “I got sandbagged!”
Significant Downsides If Biden Were to Withdraw
Stoddard herself makes a strong case for Biden and Harris based on the remarkable accomplishments of the first two years, and she acknowledges the unfairness that a president who has achieved so much should be asked to step aside against his personal wishes.
Still, the disaster of Trump’s possibly retaking the White House looms above all else.
Stoddard’s suggested dream ticket–Whitmer and Warnock–though appealing, is highly unlikely, probably impossible. She is counting on Democrats’ coming together in this crisis and fulfilling the scenario she describes. But she’s probably wrong.
Biden has managed to be so effective by holding the moderate/liberal/progressive factions of his party together. It seems to me unrealistic to think that the various ambitious Democrats would readily form a consensus around the “W ticket” (or any other).
More likely, if Biden were to withdraw, there would be major battling that would not serve the party—and therefore our country—well.
VP Harris, who I believe and have written is as underestimated as Biden, would not simply step aside, and her strong support among Democratic Black women would not readily be transferable. And the usual benefits of incumbency would be lost.
As my loyal commenter Richard pointed out in response to one of my posts, historian Allan Lichtman created a Keys to the White House model that has enabled him to accurately predict every US president since 1982.
Two of those keys are incumbency and the lack of intra-party battle. Both keys would, of course, be lost if Biden weren’t at the top of the ticket.
It’s also true that mounting a presidential campaign is a highly labor-intensive, obscenely expensive endeavor that takes time. I don’t believe one could be successfully mounted at this point.
At the Grass Roots
Stoddard talks of polls that show Biden’s support among Black Americans has dropped twenty points. I find it impossible to believe that more than a few Black people would support the demonstrably racist, white supremacist, white Christian nationalist Republicans who are suppressing their votes and denying/rewriting their (our) history.
And I agree with Simon Rosenberg that the polls show us less than does the actual voting. While acknowledging “we have work to do” (reaching out to voters in the various constituencies), Rosenberg says consistently that he’d rather be where the Democrats are now than where the Republicans are.
There are tens of thousands of small grass roots organizations throughout the US that are laboring for Democratic candidates up and down the ballot. In red states (and purple and blue states), women and their supporters have been energized by the Supreme Court’s striking down Roe v Wade, followed by draconian laws in state after state.
Abortion, along with gun safety, climate change, and LGBTQ rights, are energizing young people as never before. These developments show up in voting; they don’t show up in polling.
In 2018, 2020, and 2022, Americans surprised the pundits and voted for democracy.
Biden was criticized before the 2022 election for talking about democracy as much as he did. But he was right, and VP Harris has been crisscrossing the country with this message.
None of these sensible Americans are going to vote for Donald Trump or advocates of Trumpism; nor are they going to vote for third party candidates.
We are about to face a government shutdown and possible vote to impeach President Biden based on absolutely nothing—nothing more than Kevin McCarthy’s cowardice in facing down the far-right zealots who gave him the speaker’s gavel on the fifteenth round.
The House members who won a narrow majority by promising to tackle immigration, inflation, and crime have spent nearly all their time on wild goose chases to attempt to confuse the public into thinking that Biden is as corrupt as Trump.
But there is no one in public life more resilient than Joe Biden.
I agree with Stoddard and others who say the Democrats need younger leadership. The party is clearly moving in that direction: we saw that in Nancy Pelosi’s wise plan to turn over the key House positions to Hakeem Jeffries, Katherine Clark, and Pete Aguilar.
For now, though, Joe Biden is insistent that he wants to “finish the job.” That’s the bottom line. He is running. He has no intention of stepping aside. Actuarial tables say he can be expected to live another 11 years—at least four years beyond the end of his second term. He remains uniquely suited for this position in this nation—in this world—at this time.
He still has much to give us, and I hope and believe that Americans will see that’s true.
So what should we do? As he’s our confirmed standard-bearer, anyone who sees the vast Trumpian danger and questions Biden’s ability based on his age should stop the hand-wringing and consider instead his accomplishments, wisdom, and leadership. Sign on and support him—and encourage everyone you know to do the same.
We have an urgent binary choice in 2024:
Into whose hands will we place our country? Those of a criminal who seeks to emulate the world’s cruelest despots, and is favored by them?
Or those of the world’s strongest advocate for democracy, a decent, accomplished, seasoned leader who is highly respected by our allies?
Annie
I don’t disagree with Annie but would add that I would like to see more pointed effort by the party in the swing states. Because of the electoral college, they are where the election will be won or lost. In 2020, Biden won those states by approximately 40,000 votes. That is extremely close. One recalls that in 2016, Bill Clinton advised paying more attention to them. Hillary didn’t and lost a close election in those states. In other words, a huge margin in California is not as important as a small one in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and, surprise, surprise, Georgia and Arizona.
The Electoral College advantage that the GOP depends on has a lot to do with their popularity in rural states which are less populous (and more numorous) than urban Dem ones. That isn’t going away any time soon.
Best thing to do about this arguably is to not think about it too much, it seems.
One would hope that it’s gotten so bad for the country that a majority of voters in almost all states would come to their senses.
@Fred,
“One would hope that it’s gotten so bad for the country that a majority of voters in swing states would come to their senses.”
FIFY
A majority of voters voted for Clinton in 2016. A larger majority of voters voted for Biden in 2020. The key in 2024 is who wins the EC votes in a handful of swing states. Both parties know this.
‘Fixed it for ya’?
I am fully aware that a majority of the popular vote went to Hillary Clinton back in 2020.
The situation in the Electoral College is that the GOP tends to dominate the vote there, as you well know I am sure. Controlling the legislatures in 30 states tend to enhance this. That is more or less legitimate, unfortunately, and certainly a problem for Dems.
I repeat “One would hope that it’s gotten so bad for the country that a majority of voters in swing states would come to their senses.”
I live in a place where Dems rule decade after decade, sometimes with tightly controlled GOP guv’nahs even. The 90% Dem legislature finds it pretty easy to do this, and supposedly even prefers it. Got us both Mitt Romney and Charlie Baker. I have lived 3/4 of my life here and Mrs Fred & I aren’t leaving until it’s safe out there in the rest of the country.
Perhaps some even remember how our Dem guv’nah Mike Dukakis lost to George Bush Senior back in 1988. As much as the voters here in MA liked MD, our legislature did not. Nor did the rest of the country. And he looked very silly in a tank. Geo Bush Sr enjoyed one term as President. And there was the disastrous Ted Kennedy run at the Presidency which mainly managed to unseat Jimmy Carter, alas.
The 30 vote advantage in state legislatures has much to do with the unfortunate fact that should the Electoral Vote be tied, each state then gets one vote in the House of Representatives to choose the President.
It actually doesn’t matter if the GOP has a majority in the House.
Because a majority of states have more GOP Representatives than states that have Dem Representatives. That means that the House will choose a GOP President regardless.
That, of course, is the GOP fall-back strategy.
Feel free to correct me on this.
“The 30 vote advantage in state legislatures has much to do with the unfortunate fact that should the Electoral Vote be tied…”
It is arguably co-incidental, but does reflect that there are a lot of GOP voters out (t)here (not here in MA though), even discounting gerrymandering in the states. And that no doubt has something to do with how rural states elect their representatives to Congress.
“I repeat “One would hope that it’s gotten so bad for the country that a majority of voters in swing states would come to their senses.””
Thanks for repeating the edited version I posted. I guess you agreed that I fixed it.
Isn’t it obvious that I firmly believe what is now up there is exactly what I meant to say in the first place. But, I mistype stuff all too often.
Thanks, I guess.
The list of Dem candidates who lost presidential elections because Southern Dems would mostly not vote for them is a long one. Mostly all ‘Yankees’.
Was Al Gore considered such? Relative to Geo Bush Jr? Sure!
That NH is more of ‘purple’ state now has at least something to do, it seems, with emmigration from MA to Up Theah. Maybe Maine also.
The Media is the problem. The Media as we know it needs to be shut down, it can’t be trusted
The Media is hyping Joe’s age because it’s in their stockholders interest to generate controversy, to gin up a bunch of horse-hocky to keep the rubes on the edge of their seats and clicking on those advertisement filled pages.
Drumpf uck is on to something: the mental acuity. I’d much happier if the Media ran them both through a battery of acuity tests. See how that turns out. Stand them side-by-side so John Q Public can see what a 5:10 325 pound shit-eater looks like along side a human being. More pictures of Joe in his Corvette, more pictures of Drumpf uck slouching around Merde de Lot-o without the makeup and elevator shoes
The Media could this. They choose not to …
Top Democrats’ Bullishness on Biden 2024 Collides With Voters’ Worries
NY Times – Sep 17
Maybe this age discussion is more like signaling that keeping Joe Biden’s central role in Hunter Biden’s foreign business deals out of the news is going to be much harder than throttling the NY Post’s story in 2020. He is old, but he isn’t going to be older in 2024 than anyone could have foreseen in 2022 or even earlier this year. The “it’s Russian disinformation” did work then, but ironically, just when blaming the Russians would seem more plausible given an ongoing proxy war, it’s hard to imagine trying it again. The FBI and others maybe are telling the WH ‘well we just can’t run to FB, Google, Twitter (X) anymore like we could then. Sorry, but it’s not like you tried to profit from your official duties at your VP gig, right?’ Also if Warnock were to be VP at the end of all this, very high chance that is a +1 R in Senate. Think Schumer not going to sign on.
Since you know everything there is to know, you’ve just told us so, what can you tell us about the three (3) billion (with a b) dollars the Sauds paid 78 (will be 80 if “elected” again) year old Donald Drumpf uck’s daughter at the end of his term?
I hear y’all are brewing Vodka out of jet-fuel …
Relaated…
Revolutionary solar tower can create jet fuel out of thin air
Many people have done unseemly things, yet the post concerned Biden not Trump. In 2020 alumni of the intelligence community felt that Hunter’s laptop was a serious enough threat to Biden’s election that they concocted and had published the idea it was Russian disinformation, which was duly adopted as the narrative by most US media. Well that worked until it didn’t. I’m guessing that assessing this now feels like that support is eroding quickly. The Washington Post is the hometown paper and my gut is they would not have published the recent Op-Ed if it was in major conflict with their coverage plans. Age is Joe’s exit ramp if my hypothesis is right. “Drop out saying you feel too old and we’ll help make it that your final years are peaceful” or similar.
Maybe They’re Losing Because They All Sound the Same
NY Times – Sep 17
Hmmm. Fairly obviously, Mr Ramaswamy’s campaign can easily be converted to be one for Trump’s VP. That seems very probable on his part, however unlikely.
However…
Ramaswamy responds to polls showing rising unfavorability: ‘People are annoyed by my rise’
People are annoyed by Ramaswamy because his entire campaign is about being annoying.
Perhaps they will follow the Dan Quayle/Sarah Palin model.
Unless they ask Mike Pence back. Marjorie Taylor Greene?
Matt Gaetz for Trump VP. MTG for Trump Sec/State, or maybe UN ambassador. VR for Sec/Commerce.
Ron Desantis may be setting himself up for Sec/Education, or some other dept Trump would like to close. There are several no doubt.
The NY Times suggests that the Iowa Caucus (Jan 15, about 3 months away) will be when Trump finishes off Desantis. Hard to believe it will take that long. Ron has put a lot of effort into Iowa, still has a lot of counties to visit. Not doing him enuf good. Iowans apparently love Trump, whether he visits them or not. It’s like he’s always there in spirit. He’s like ‘The Music Man’.
Is Rudy Giuliani going to be AG, or is that reserved for Jeffrey Clark?
Sydney Powell maybe. A lot of loyal lawyers to choose from.
Iowa has become a must-win state for Ron DeSantis, who is trailing Donald Trump in the state by double-digits
NY Times – Sep 19
‘Saudis hope to harm us using supply as its cudgel.’
Try not to see everything USA centric.
Perhaps they want the world to quit burning so much gas, which is what you want as well. Raising the price will do that. What is the problem?
@doug,
LOL! That’s hilarious!
@Fred,
Yep. They’re investing to maintain a market for petroleum. That’s their lifeblood and their power.
$140 million is walking-around money for them, one would imagine.
Forbes – How Much Does A Superyacht Really Cost?
(And this was back in 2015.)
If Jared Kushner likes them, they must be doing something, right?
No worries for them. If petroleum ever gets ‘scarce’, its value as a chemical resource will soar.
In bid to stop Trump, one group is making different pitch to independents and Democrats: Vote GOP
Boston Globe – Sep 18
(Since the Dem primaries next year don’t matter, a new anti-Trump pac is suggesting ‘strategic voting’ in upcoming GOP primaries by ‘independents’ and Dems if they can do it to impede the Orange One. Easy enuf to do in ‘open’ primaries, not so easy in ‘semi-open’ ones if yer registered NOT in the GOP.)
Here in MA I had an odd conversation with an elderly friend yesterday, a lifelong GOP registrant who became ‘unenrolled’ last year along with his wife, about the above. He is concerned about this sort of primary voting, especially because being ‘unenrolled’, he could do it. He expressed fear that if he were to do so, vote in the GOP primary, he would become a GOP registrant again. He really does not want to do that. I told him that isn’t how it works in MA. If yer ‘unenrolled’ here you simply get to choose whichever party’s ballot on Primary Day & vote however you like, and when yer done, you go back to being unenrolled. He tells me, as if it were relevant, that Up Theah in NH, if you do such voting while unenrolled, you go back to being a GOP registered voter, and have to go back later an re-unregister at Town Hall. Otherwise you stay a GOP person. Being elderly, even though he doesn’t reside in NH, this disturbs him greatly. Go figure.
Otherwise, he’s afraid to vote in the Dem primary. Because Dems (like me, but I used to be unenrolled) are ‘Commies’. When I complained to him about this POV he said he was ‘only joking’, but I know he wasn’t. He’ll vote for Biden again, but only because he so dislikes the Orange One. He does not want to be a registered Dem, nohow.
Both NH and MA, BTW, consider themselves ‘semi-open’ when it comes to Primaries.