Infidel753: “What the NRA gets right — and wrong”
Introduction: Each time there is a mass shooting, Angry Bear will take a stance on the issue. A stance which many will not like. Angry Bear is tolerant of opposing views to a point. For the record, I am an XMarine Sergeant who was an Expert with a straight-out-of-the-armory stock M14. I grew up shooting various weapons. Last week, we featured Annieasksyou. Today, Angry Bear is featuring Infidel753 and his take on schools being made safer.
Infidel753: “What the NRA gets right — and wrong“
The NRA press conference today proposed that American schools could be made safer by equipping them with armed and trained security guards. They’re right, as far as this goes.
Israel does this. School security is a serious concern in Israel, given the constant threat of Islamic fanatics who would like nothing better than to carry out a mass slaughter of Jewish children, and who are often better armed, trained, and motivated than the mental cases who periodically attack schools in the US. Armed guards seem to work.
They also seem to work where we in the US use them, at places we’re actually serious about protecting, such as banks and some government buildings. They don’t create an armed-camp atmosphere or an increased level of danger. And notice that almost all mass shootings in the US happen in places that are designated gun-free zones, not in places that do have armed guards. Even mental cases know they can kill far more people in places where there will be no effective resistance until the police can arrive from some distance away.
Opponents of armed self-defense in Newtown-like scenarios seem to imagine that it would result in some sort of random crossfire which would kill even more people. This would certainly not be the case with properly-trained guards. Adam Lanza killed 26 people at the school, shooting most of them multiple times. There is no plausible scenario in which a trained guard shooting Lanza as soon as he started his attack would not have resulted in a much lower death toll. Even a poorly-trained civilian shooting back at Lanza — yes, even if that civilian accidentally hit one or two innocent people — would probably have resulted in a much lower net number of deaths. Perhaps more to the point, Lanza would have been unlikely to attempt his attack in a venue where he knew he himself would be shot as soon as he began.
There is, of course, another side to security in Israel. From the link above:
In Israel, no one carries a weapon without the Israel Ministry of Defense knowing about it. The person carrying the gun or assault weapon has gone through a security background check, trained in the use of gun safety and is registered with either the Israel Defense Forces or the police that he bears a weapon.
I’ve always been dubious about gun control. It was easy to get alcohol during prohibition and it is easy to get marijuana now, and that’s in the face of a total ban, not merely laws to restrict access. No gun control law would have kept Lanza from getting hold of the weapons he used; they were owned by his mother whom he also murdered. We probably should implement stricter background checks and broaden the categories of people who cannot legally carry guns, but we shouldn’t expect this to have much actual effect. In the US, a person who is determined to get a gun and doesn’t mind breaking the law will always be able to get one.
Finally, the NRA’s LaPierre is not only wrong but despicable in blaming violent movies and music videos for the problem. Tens of millions of people enjoy such entertainment without becoming violent. If violence portrayed in entertainment led to violence in society, Japan would be the most crime-saturated country in the world; it’s actually close to being the most crime-free. Hunter-gatherer societies suffer staggering rates of murder and other violence without violent entertainment (or guns).
There are other countries where gun ownership is widespread, yet gun violence is rare. The reasons seem to be a matter of culture rather than law. Changing culture is, unfortunately, much more difficult than changing laws, but a more compassionate and supportive culture would have benefits far beyond a reduction in violence. We really ought to give it a try.
How is this country going to get, or even define, properly trained? Short of seconding our training to Israel or some other foreign country. We have gun safety demonstrators having accidental discharges in classrooms. We have police and security guards leaving their weapons in the bathroom. Never mind training someone to know the difference between a cell phone or can of soda and a weapon.
Some police units are very well trained. Some are hardly better than the average man on the street. Uvalde comes to mind. At least some of those personnel were supposed to have been trained. Properly trained is a different matter entirely.
It is all well and good to say that if we had the security that Israeli schools have, we would have fewer school shooting deaths. But we do not, and most likely will never, have that type of security. Can you imagine the outcry if we tried to get every gun owner to take a safety course and register their guns?
I’m thinking that gun control advocates believe that the consequences of gunshots are so grave that it makes sense to massively reduce gun availability, including confiscation even from folks without gun violations. There are so many in circulation that only restricting future sales would likely need decades (heck, maybe centuries) to bring down numbers to levels like in Spain as just a reference being a place I lived for many years. If that argument seems sound, then you might accept the argument that violent games and music are menaces as the consequences of just a small number of people badly unbalanced might be similarly grave if guns are around (which they certainly are).
Big assumption that introducing more guns will reduce deaths as long as we require training.
America has been experimenting with this assumption for decades and no matter how much gun violence increases, we are always just a few more guns away from safety. Just a few more guns in the right place will do the trick.
I feel your pain. It really sucks to be misunderstood. I am sure that it happens often to you as it does to me. Perhaps better reading comprehension education in public schools is a prerequisite to better public policy discussions.
Where I grew up, we had neighborhood police who were stationed at major intersections and rode motorized trikes or three wheeled motorcycles. They were always there, the same ones, and we got to know them. Mostly for traffic in the cities. Our intersect was six-corners in Chicago where three major roads came together.
Going to Grade (Grammar) School, we had a police officer as a crossing guard for a major road in the morning and afternoon. They were always around and we knew them. A presence appears to deter actions. That was in the late fifties and sixties.
Does it make sense to do this again?
Better community policing always makes sense. So does paying local LEOs well enough to support a normal family so that hiring police officers attracts candidates looking for decent job instead of crazies looking for a means of self-expression.