SCOTUS Decides Texas Lawsuit regarding Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin
Given the makeup of the Supreme Court after 3 conservative appointments to the court, I was concerned as to what the outcome of the Court’s decision might be. Whether they would agree with Texas and trump was the concern.
The italicized sentence is basically the Court’s decision. The note from Alito and Thomas being an acceptance of the motion for review and not grant the petitioner relief.
“The justices’ dissents, though, are considerably less significant than all that.
As The Post’s Supreme Court guru Robert Barnes and many others noted, the dissents echoed the long-standing positions of the two justices, which is that the court’s “original jurisdiction” means it must accept such a case involving conflicts between states. Their dissents on that point, in fact, were merely a matter of course for them — something they’ve done before — not any kind of commentary on the substance of the claims.
And indeed, they actually made a pretty significant statement about the substance — but not in Trump’s favor.
“I would therefore grant the motion to file the bill of complaint but would not grant other relief,” Alito said in the dissent which Thomas joined, “and I express no view on any other issue.”
They key words there are “would not grant other relief.” The lawsuit was seeking an injunction to bar four closely decided states — Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin — from selecting their presidential electors ahead of Monday’s vote of the electoral college. Not even Alito and Thomas would grant that. Legal experts argued this essentially meant they would have dismissed the case as well — just that they didn’t believe the court could decline to accept it in the first place.
In essence, there is no indication any of the justices would have granted the relief. You can’t call it a 9-0 decision because there is no vote count, but that’s hugely significant.”
“Supreme Court Failure “to Affirm Trump’s Complaint of Election Fraud, Washington Post, December 12, 2020
With this group I was also concerned, but the lawsuit was so bonkers they couldn’t have touched it.
Not one sliver of argument combined with no evidence at all.
Quite frankly, I think the lawyers that brought it, or endorsed it should be sanctioned.
EM:
I agree. One sure way to stop this charade is to go after the attorneys who are bringing trump’s BS to court. This should have ended weeks ago when the state courts tossed it. trunp has cost the US hundreds of thousands of lives and $billions. Republicans own both of these issues.
Which why Fat Donnie from Queens is pissed.
He thought at 3 judges were on his payroll.
EM
i’m not so sure. the lawyers are hired to make the client’s case, not to prejudge it. They may, and should, tell the client they don’t think the judge will agree, but then it’s up to the judge.
run
and also to you. but as good a place as any to say that despite my checking “save my name… it never does. or only does it for each specific thread?
well, as long as i am playing pollyanna for lawyers….very unusual for me… let me add that these lawyers did the country a great service by bringing the cases so the SC could smack them down and not leave them out there to trouble our sleep.
“Quid pro qua” or [something for something] is suggested to be the hallmark of Trump’s presidency. The extraordinary intervention into the nation’s electoral process is the accumulation of the very words. President Karen shouts fraud while Governors derided for enforcing their state election rules and laws are supported by the sanity of the court. And the something Trump needed returned never materialized.
Half of the country continues to uphold a fail of their misguided belief when said leader runs aground in reality. Several could not tell you what his accomplishments were or what policy he imposed they particularly remember any personal benefit as a result. For that matter they are hard pressed in their adulations to describe any changes occurring for the greater benefit of organized civilization. I can think of not one, but remained surprised this benevolent wisdom prevails in a society so collapsed as America.
So this audacity remains and perhaps will be permanent. But the need to grow up now and take back lost dignity for “sake of country” is paramount. The only concern being would it help at that this point?
It seems the disparities need to unite in order to right the use of fear and division as a herding technique used to cripple any progression from our low point.
Aside from that, I often wondered why everyone are not distance runners; why you never see more than a few at a time out there slogging along drenched in the sweat of that effort. And the answer to that might be because it is way too hard and it must be done alone; a difficult exercise without the help of anyone but yourself. Besides if we were all runners [something for something] could never exist.
George:
I subscribe to The Atlantic and I am always late in reading its articles or what they supply on the internet these days. Recent Barton Gellman article, November issue, “The Election That Could Break America”
“If the vote is close, Donald Trump could easily throw the election into chaos and subvert the result. Who will stop him?”
From all appearances, the courts have stopped trump for now. However, we still have Congressional Representatives supporting his lies and common citizens refusing to accept the outcome. To me and if trump is still alive in 2024 and sane; I believe hew is setting the stage for his return. In the present ?
Democrats have a tendency to underestimate outcomes and also their opponents. Our worst danger is over confidence.
george
i’ve been thiniking about that..why do trumpers trumpet
what occurs to me is that i remember that before trump the country was awash in lies …polite lies from politicians, bankers, bosses… that they knew were lies but could not call them so if they wanted to keep their job, their home, or their place in “polite” society (not “polite society” which is an upper class kind of thing).
but Trump gave them a chance to be un-polite to polite society. and they thought it was fun to tell gross lies to their faces and watch them sputter because it did them no good to answer them.
that said, i voted for the polite liars because they are less dangerous than Trump. the new un-polite wouldn’t know that because they have been lied to so much for so long they don’t know which is up or what to believe.
Another post killed
EM
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On the matter of sanctions for the lawyers, they usually follow from motions by their victorious opponents and are accompanied by requests for fees and if granted can range from awards of fees and/or fines to disbarment from the court in question. So far as I can tell, no-one has requested sanctions in these cases. The courts could impose them on their own but, given the political climate, are unlikely to do so.
Jack:
Long time, heh? I assume you are healthy and doing well? Meant to call you and check-in. Are you down South yet?
It would have been nice to read where a few judges admonished the litigators who brought these complaints to court with an emphasis on Giuliani. These were nonsense pleas. We could not get into to SCOTUS with our Certs presented by a distinguished litigator and this ass walks right in the court getting an answer. Enough is enough. There was no rhyme or reason to what they were suggesting for 4 states from which Texas suffered no-harm. It was a joke, a fantasy meant to rile trump’s ignorant followers.
With 17 States joining TX plus 106 members of the House, Trump’s displayed his power. Supposing he understood last Feb that Covid would kill him for a 2nd term, enduring power may have been the goal all along. Explains a lot. Meets his needs of character and for $ with less effort..
Not every day you can get a Senator to beg for campaign money on national TV, claiming he was being outspent by his opponent and losing, and then after the losing-lying Senator wins his election; the Senator slips the pres a half a $million to help him retire and fight his faux-legal court case. Shysters, liars, and frauds the lot of them. Four Repub Congressmen from Michigan joined the SCOTUS petition and others did not. trump is just a man and I would guess his cognitive abilities will continue to deteriorate over the next 4 years.
I am still waiting for Michigan state senator Shirkey and state representative Chatfield to spring whatever surprise they have up-their-sleeve after visiting trump and drinking over-priced champagne in a trump hotel lobby after their visit. It will come in time.
JackD
given the realities and the practicalities, i guess it has to be that way.
but what looks frivolous to one person might look dead serious to another.
and i think it is better to get the Court on record than to insist the plaintiff’s lawyer prejudge the frivolousness of the suit.
and i know that frivolous suits are used to deny justice to poor people harmed by rich “persons” [ aka corporations and such ].
of course if the Courts had not found Trump suits frivolous I might be singing a different tune.
Hey, run,
Still sheltering in cold, but sunny Illinois. Leave late February.
Given the political heat, the court had to deal with the case. They actually did the same as they did with yours. It was the equivalent of denying cert. phrased differently because of their original jurisdiction over claims between states which is how this one was framed. Alito and Thomas quibbled about the procedure utilized and would have done it in the form of granting a motion to dismiss for lack of standing. Either way it translated to:NO!
Geez Jack, that was the first thing I thought; “lack of standing.”
We had standing. It was just not the right day and who read the Cert.
Every year I ask if you are down there yet and every year you say it will be in February. One of these times I will remember. We are still up here too. Pretty much figured out why we did not sell after listening to a few conversations. It was not us or the home.
Run,
I posted a comment in the open thread yesterday and it never appeared.
EM:
There is one to Transgender people in Open Thread to Coberly which is there. That it?