In New York City in 2009, 76% of Hispanic births were covered by Medicaid, 70% of births in the black community were covered, and 31% of whites.
If you ask me what’s going on, of course, I will compare it to the reason only 43% pay income tax — the liberal progressive reason — it’s our wildly warped out of shape labor market, big brains!
The fast food labors’ marginal revenue product [which can be exploited] is artificially high due to Medicaid and food stamps.
Civil War veteran and justice Oliver W. Holmes said: “Taxes are the price of a civil society.”
When I go into a fast food joint I remember that my taxes are paying the employee, what the exploiter is not. That super sized meal is cheap because I pay taxes.
Should the employers of food stamp and Medicaid recipients pay or should the middle class customer pay for them to keep more ‘excess value’ of labor with their taxes?
The beneficiaries of “entitlements” outside of SS and Medicare are the employers of low wage workers, whose scream about being taxed too much.
well, they will always scream. the answer is not to tax them more, but to require higher wages. either through unions or by minimum wage law.
i don’t have any love for the exploitative rich, nor any serious objection to “high” taxes (yet). but the politics of high taxes is disastrous (we lose). and the human results of “welfare for all” is not what we really want.
humans want meaningful work that is fairly paid, but if you create a welfare based economy, humans will settle for that. And I don’t think it will make them happy.
Denis
Our “friend” Breitbart has only now discovered the wheel. Can fire be far behind? Yes, when half the working population is earning poverty level wages the result is that those workers will qualify for benefits intended to ease the pain of poverty . This isn’t rocket science, pay $8.00 an hour for a 30 hour week and the employee earns a gross income of $12,500. Take out a little for FICA and Medicare and what’s left for income tax or food?
Denis, I don’t believe that you are stupid and can be taken in by the propagandist crap that Breitbart likes to present as reasonable news analysis. Yes, if you allow workers to be paid crap wages they will need some support when they have children. We wouldn’t want to reduce the birth rate of those who provide us with the most exploitable labor pool? Would we? So what gives with your comment, above? What is the point you’re trying to make?
The solution? Both Ilsm and Coberly have plausible solutions to the problem, tax the exploiters or require wages that would reduce the extent of labor exploitation. Do we want to race to the bottom of the labor exploitation cess pool? Better yet levy an exploitation tariff on goods from the centers of global labor exploitation. Do both for a full frontal attack on the abuse of political power in the name of greed and avarice.
Jack,
I thought I was pretty clear on blaming madly low pay.
Just thought of an adjustment to my $15 an hour minimum wage screed which was: _being that_ $15 is the median wage; _being that_ half the workforce above the median takes 88% of overall income; _being that_ a $15 minimum wage represents a slide of 4% from the top to the bottom (average $8,000 yearly raise X 70 million workers = $560 billion out of $8.6 trillion GDP = 3.6%). IOW the top 70 million are not going to find they don’t need what the bottom 70 million produce anymore over a (long overdue!) shift of 4% of income.
Okay — now: better, more convincing figures?
I have suspected that $15 an hour median wage might be a little low — the median might be more like $16.50. That would leave a slide of 3% from the 55% of our workforce who now take 90% to the 45% who now take 10% (figures are approximate). Might sell even better. ???
Maybe not: the “eighth-grade math” gets a tiny bit complicated.
And it’s not just Breitbart that is the coniving asshole in this debate. The Governor of Ohio takes front and center in the battle to the head of the class for expertise in lack of spirit and just plain bullshit for brains. From the Sept. 7th Columbus Dispatch comes this unique effor to enslave one’s own and most susceptible citizens:
“Kasich wants able-bodied adults to work for food stamps” http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2013/09/07/fit-no-kids-youll-have-to-work-for-food-stamps.html
Basically the Governor seems to think its cool to require the poor, and in many cases the disabled, to work 20 hrs per week for $132 monthly in food stamps. That’s a little better than $1.50 and hour. Why not just pay them minimum wage for the forced work so that they can at least buy more food. Trust me, the meek will not inherit any part of this Earth.
Sorry, but in my haste I spelled a word incorrectly. That should be, Breitbart and Ohio Gov. Kasich are conniving asses. And there are wide holes in both of their arguments.
there is a discrepancy of almost a million jobs between the unadjusted employment change data from the two BLS surveys, as the seasonal adjustment subtracted more than 200,000 jobs from the establishment survey and added nearly 500,000 to the household survey…the unadjusted data from the establishment survey shows payrolls jobs increased by 378,000 from 135,583,000 in July to 135,961,000 in August; after which the BLS seasonal adjustment increased the payroll jobs to 135,964,000 in July and 136,133,000 in August which thereby reduced the jobs change from July to 169,000; meanwhile, the raw, not seasonally adjusted household data shows employment dropped 604,000, from 145,113,000 in July to 144,509,000 in August...however, the action of the seasonal adjustment on the household survey was in the opposite direction, in that it reduced the negative change of employment loss to 115,000, changing the monthly change from 144,285,000 in July to 144,170,000 in August….thus the seasonal adjustment subtracted 209,000 from job gains in the establishment survey, but it added to 489,000 those counted as employed in the household survey…we know the establishment survey is more accurate, but there is no reason that the seasonal adjustments on employment should move in opposite directions by that magnitude in the same month…
What’s going on here? ???
Almost Half of U.S. Births Covered by Medicaid
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/09/08/Almost-Half-of-U-S-Births-Covered-by-Medicaid
In New York City in 2009, 76% of Hispanic births were covered by Medicaid, 70% of births in the black community were covered, and 31% of whites.
If you ask me what’s going on, of course, I will compare it to the reason only 43% pay income tax — the liberal progressive reason — it’s our wildly warped out of shape labor market, big brains!
The fast food labors’ marginal revenue product [which can be exploited] is artificially high due to Medicaid and food stamps.
Civil War veteran and justice Oliver W. Holmes said: “Taxes are the price of a civil society.”
When I go into a fast food joint I remember that my taxes are paying the employee, what the exploiter is not. That super sized meal is cheap because I pay taxes.
Should the employers of food stamp and Medicaid recipients pay or should the middle class customer pay for them to keep more ‘excess value’ of labor with their taxes?
The beneficiaries of “entitlements” outside of SS and Medicare are the employers of low wage workers, whose scream about being taxed too much.
ilsm
well, they will always scream. the answer is not to tax them more, but to require higher wages. either through unions or by minimum wage law.
i don’t have any love for the exploitative rich, nor any serious objection to “high” taxes (yet). but the politics of high taxes is disastrous (we lose). and the human results of “welfare for all” is not what we really want.
humans want meaningful work that is fairly paid, but if you create a welfare based economy, humans will settle for that. And I don’t think it will make them happy.
Denis
Our “friend” Breitbart has only now discovered the wheel. Can fire be far behind? Yes, when half the working population is earning poverty level wages the result is that those workers will qualify for benefits intended to ease the pain of poverty . This isn’t rocket science, pay $8.00 an hour for a 30 hour week and the employee earns a gross income of $12,500. Take out a little for FICA and Medicare and what’s left for income tax or food?
Denis, I don’t believe that you are stupid and can be taken in by the propagandist crap that Breitbart likes to present as reasonable news analysis. Yes, if you allow workers to be paid crap wages they will need some support when they have children. We wouldn’t want to reduce the birth rate of those who provide us with the most exploitable labor pool? Would we? So what gives with your comment, above? What is the point you’re trying to make?
The solution? Both Ilsm and Coberly have plausible solutions to the problem, tax the exploiters or require wages that would reduce the extent of labor exploitation. Do we want to race to the bottom of the labor exploitation cess pool? Better yet levy an exploitation tariff on goods from the centers of global labor exploitation. Do both for a full frontal attack on the abuse of political power in the name of greed and avarice.
Jack,
I thought I was pretty clear on blaming madly low pay.
Just thought of an adjustment to my $15 an hour minimum wage screed which was: _being that_ $15 is the median wage; _being that_ half the workforce above the median takes 88% of overall income; _being that_ a $15 minimum wage represents a slide of 4% from the top to the bottom (average $8,000 yearly raise X 70 million workers = $560 billion out of $8.6 trillion GDP = 3.6%). IOW the top 70 million are not going to find they don’t need what the bottom 70 million produce anymore over a (long overdue!) shift of 4% of income.
Okay — now: better, more convincing figures?
I have suspected that $15 an hour median wage might be a little low — the median might be more like $16.50. That would leave a slide of 3% from the 55% of our workforce who now take 90% to the 45% who now take 10% (figures are approximate). Might sell even better. ???
Maybe not: the “eighth-grade math” gets a tiny bit complicated.
And it’s not just Breitbart that is the coniving asshole in this debate. The Governor of Ohio takes front and center in the battle to the head of the class for expertise in lack of spirit and just plain bullshit for brains. From the Sept. 7th Columbus Dispatch comes this unique effor to enslave one’s own and most susceptible citizens:
“Kasich wants able-bodied adults to work for food stamps”
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2013/09/07/fit-no-kids-youll-have-to-work-for-food-stamps.html
Basically the Governor seems to think its cool to require the poor, and in many cases the disabled, to work 20 hrs per week for $132 monthly in food stamps. That’s a little better than $1.50 and hour. Why not just pay them minimum wage for the forced work so that they can at least buy more food. Trust me, the meek will not inherit any part of this Earth.
Sorry, but in my haste I spelled a word incorrectly. That should be, Breitbart and Ohio Gov. Kasich are conniving asses. And there are wide holes in both of their arguments.
there is a discrepancy of almost a million jobs between the unadjusted employment change data from the two BLS surveys, as the seasonal adjustment subtracted more than 200,000 jobs from the establishment survey and added nearly 500,000 to the household survey…the unadjusted data from the establishment survey shows payrolls jobs increased by 378,000 from 135,583,000 in July to 135,961,000 in August; after which the BLS seasonal adjustment increased the payroll jobs to 135,964,000 in July and 136,133,000 in August which thereby reduced the jobs change from July to 169,000; meanwhile, the raw, not seasonally adjusted household data shows employment dropped 604,000, from 145,113,000 in July to 144,509,000 in August...however, the action of the seasonal adjustment on the household survey was in the opposite direction, in that it reduced the negative change of employment loss to 115,000, changing the monthly change from 144,285,000 in July to 144,170,000 in August….thus the seasonal adjustment subtracted 209,000 from job gains in the establishment survey, but it added to 489,000 those counted as employed in the household survey…we know the establishment survey is more accurate, but there is no reason that the seasonal adjustments on employment should move in opposite directions by that magnitude in the same month…
Jack
just to say… I agree with the idea of a tariff on imports made cheap by exploitation of labor or degrading the environment.