How are You Feeling About America Today?
My Two Cents:
If it is of any consequence, this Baby Boomer is not happy to have Trump as the President again. He was terrible the first time. And he is really working hard to be more terrible this time. The threats keep on coming. People are kidnapped after court hearings, no warrants, masked so they can not be identified, and they carry their victims to jail. And the judges do not stop the kidnapping occurring outside of the doors.
If you do not vote or vote for the family dog or a minority candidate; this is what you get. The worst of the litter.
The Brownshirts were known for their use of violence against political opponents. Arresting and torturing enemies: Following Hitler’s ascent to power, the SA (Sturmabteilung) participated in the arrest and torture of enemies of the regime, including many Jews, and established concentration camps for this purpose. They kidnap conservative politicians during the Beer Hall Putsch as part of their attempt to take control of the Bavarian government.
How do you take on a U.S. Senator who identifies himself in a public meeting? Throw him on the ground and handcuff him. Doesn’t that seem outrageous and odd to you? He was not aggressive or threatening. The speaker in charge could have recognized him and asked the ICE people to back off. She did not.
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar’s SUMMARY on the present:
Donald Trump’s election has seen national pride crater to its lowest- ever level among Democrats, with only 36 percent feeling proud of their country.
Polling data released by Gallup shows the gap between Democrats and Republicans ahead of July 4 is at its widest since 2001, with younger generations also increasingly out of step with their elders.
Only 4 out of 10 members of Gen Z expressed pride in their country, while just 6 out of 10 Millennials felt the same. Both fall significantly behind older generations, who average out at 7/10.
Meanwhile, the divide along party lines has never been starker. Ninety-two percent of Republicans have stated they feel “very” or “extremely” proud of their country, with the gap between voters at its widest since records began in 2001, including the entirety of Trump’s first term.
Kareem’s TAKE:
Republicans and Democrats have a different definition of patriotism, which is revealed in this poll showing 92% of Republicans “extremely” or “very proud” of being an American and only 53% of Independents and 36% of Democrats feeling the same way.
Most of the country is not proud right now.
Republicans cling to the notion “My country, right or wrong,” first uttered in 1816 in a toast by naval officer Stephen Decatur after defeating Barbary pirates: “Our country! In her intercourse with foreign nations may she always be in the right; but our country, right or wrong!” Sounds great—unless that country is enslaving people, committing genocide, and oppressing their own poor.
Democrats ironically follow a version of that sentiment modified by Republican Congressman and civil rights advocate Carl Schurz, and delivered to the Senate in 1872: “My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.”
Republicans respond to the question of pride by thinking about the idealized movie version of America in their heads. Democrats and Independents respond to the reality of what is actually going on in America at the time. They are more focused on the difference between the promise of America and the reality today of the broken promise—and how to fix it. In reality, all three political groups have about the same pride in America. They are like parents who have raised children with strong moral values and a great education, only to have one of them sent to prison for defrauding the elderly. The Republican defiantly announces how much they love their child no matter what they’ve done. The Democrat loves their child just as much but expresses disappointment in their behavior and works toward restitution for the defrauded.
But the real revelation is how less powerful both major parties are becoming, as Independents rise and as younger generations become disillusioned with both parties. In a 2024 Gallup poll, 28% identified as Republican, 28% as Democrat, and 43% as Independent. The last 25 years have seen both parties shrink as Independents grew.
The difference between Republican and Democrat response to the question is that Republicans conflate love with pride. Democrats love America as much as Republicans, but pride is based on actions compared to our values. Since January, the Trump administration has systematically perverted our values about equality, freedom of speech, and compassion for those in need to variations on the theme, “Greed is good.”
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (Free Newsletter Day) New Poll Shows We Have Less Pride in America & Iran’s Ban on Dog Walking May Be Its Demise
Americans Have Never Been Less Proud of Their Country Ahead of July 4th

Maybe Kareem is projecting his personal opinion, but the math doesn’t seem right
92% of Republicans
53% of Independents ( That he states is the majority affiliation)
+ 36% of Democrats
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Does not equal most of the country????
Rafterman from finviz:
It would have been nice if the excellent basketball player Kareem quoted numerics other than percentages. He did not. However I included a link to Analyzing the “2024 Presidential Vote: PRRI’s Post-Election Survey.” Similar percentages are quoted there
Republicans and Democrats have a different definition of patriotism, which is revealed in this poll showing 92% of Republicans “extremely” or “very proud” of being an American and only 53% of Independents and 36% of Democrats feeling the same way.
Most of the country is not proud right now.
– Half of American voters (50%) report that they voted for Donald Trump, with slightly fewer voters reporting that they voted for Kamala Harris (48%). Just 2% of Americans report voting for other candidates.
– More than nine in ten Republicans (94%) report voting for Donald Trump and more than nine in ten Democrats (95%) report voting for Kamala Harris.
– Slightly more than half of independent voters (53%) say they voted for Kamala Harris, compared with 44% who say they voted for Donald Trump. Four percent of independents report voting for other candidates.
His comment did not include numbers and just sited percentages. It would have been nice if it did. There is another place I can look that had numbers. I will see if I can find it on Angry Bear again. The report below from which I quote from above follows what Kareem had said.
Analyzing the 2024 Presidential Vote: PRRI’s Post-Election Survey
Anyway, this old Marine Sergeant would vote for Kamala again as she put Trump in his place. He would not debate her again. He is a piece of garbage Rafterman and he called many of us suckers and losers.
My latest contribution to the madness. . .
FACT-CHECK TV: America & voters desperately need a new dedicated network: “FACT CHECK BROADCASTING (FCBC).” A dedicated network to uncover & report “facts” could begin to hold accountable the existing networks, print & social media, & political party sources. AKA “2-SIDES.”
E.G. https://tinyurl.com/34juvdea
Unraveling the Big Beautiful Bill Spin
There are simply so many outright lies about information and misleading, twisted, confusing & misinformation from all sources, that many members of the public and voters simply discount everything and mentally turn off the bombardment of conflicting news bites that they are confronted with daily.
Somehow we have to get back to “fact-based” decision making.
@McJ,
As a scientist, I could not agree more.
Of course, it’s not just facts, it’s all the relevant facts. Far too many people suffer from confirmation bias in their use of facts. For many people, believing is seeing.
“Well when events change, I change my mind. What do you do?”
~Paul Samuelson
I forgot to add, that as a testament to widespread disillusionment, we need to remember that approximately 85.9 million to close to 90 million eligible Americans simply did not vote in the 2024 general election. This represents roughly 36% of the country’s voting-eligible population.
@McJ,
And turnouts are typically lower in mid-terms.