How Can the Loan Interest Become Greater than the Principal?
I have written about and posted on Student Loan debt forever and usually about Alan Collinge. This is never ending debt where the interest can be greater than the costs over the years of payback. That is, if it is ever paid back. In this particular commentary, it discusses a Masters in filmography or movie making at prestigious universities. Oh and the answer to the title? Read on . . .
How can the interest be greater than the principal? It occurs when the loan companies recast a loan with the interest into a new loan. Of course, the new loan has an interest rate also. And of course, the payments can be higher. More than likely, the new loan goes into forbearance.
According to a report, over three decades Congress, and various administrations plus federal watchdogs systematically made the student loan program look profitable when in fact defaults were becoming more likely.
The result, was a growing gap between what the books said and what the loans were actually worth, requiring cash infusions from the Treasury to the Education Department long after budgets had been approved and fiscal years had ended, and potentially hundreds of billions in losses.
The federal budget assumes the government will recover 96 cents of every dollar borrowers’ default on. That sounded high to Mr. Courtney because in the private sector 20 cents would be more appropriate for defaulted consumer loans that aren’t backed by an asset. It was more or like 50% of the 96 cents.
Then there is the problem of Masters Degrees which may never reap the potential claimed.
‘Financially Hobbled for Life’: The Elite Master’s Degrees That Don’t Pay Off – WSJ – July 8, 2021
– by Melissa Korn and Andrea Fuller
Recent film program graduates of Columbia University who took out federal student loans had a median debt of $181,000.
Yet two years after earning their master’s degrees, half of the borrowers were making less than $30,000 a year.
The Columbia program offers the most extreme example of how elite universities in recent years have awarded thousands of master’s degrees that don’t provide graduates enough early career earnings to begin paying down their federal student loans, according to a Wall Street Journal analysis of Education Department data.
Recent Columbia film alumni had the highest debt compared with earnings among graduates of any major university master’s program in the U.S., the Journal found. The New York City university is among the world’s most prestigious schools, and its $11.3 billion endowment ranks it the nation’s eighth wealthiest private school.
For years, faculty, staff and students have appealed unsuccessfully to administrators to tap that wealth to aid more graduate students, according to current and former faculty and administrators, and dozens of students. Taxpayers will be on the hook for whatever is left unpaid.
Lured by the aura of degrees from top-flight institutions, many master’s students at universities across the U.S. took on debt beyond what their pay would support, the Journal analysis of federal data on borrowers found. At Columbia, such students graduated from programs including history, social work and architecture.
Columbia University President Lee Bollinger said the Education Department data in the Journal analysis can’t fully assess salary prospects because it covers only earnings and loan repayments two years after graduation. “Nevertheless,” he said, “this is not what we want it to be.”
At New York University, graduates with a master’s degree in publishing borrowed a median $116,000 and had an annual median income of $42,000 two years after the program, the data on recent borrowers show. At Northwestern University, half of those who earned degrees in speech-language pathology borrowed $148,000 or more, and the graduates had a median income of $60,000 two years later. Graduates of the University of Southern California’s marriage and family counseling program borrowed a median $124,000 and half earned $50,000 or less over the same period.
“NYU is always focused on affordability, and an important part of that is, of course, to help prospective students make informed decisions,” said spokesman John Beckman. Northwestern spokeswoman Hilary Hurd Anyaso said the speech-language pathology program is among the best in the world, leading to a “gratifying career path that is in high demand.” USC spokeswoman Lauren Bartlett said providing students financial support and employment opportunities was a priority for the school.
Undergraduate students for years have faced ballooning loan balances. But now it is graduate students who are accruing the most onerous debt loads. Unlike undergraduate loans, the federal Grad Plus loan program has no fixed limit on how much grad students can borrow—money that can be used for tuition, fees and living expenses.
High Price, Low Return
Columbia has more high-debt master’s degree programs in low-paying fields than any other Ivy League university.
It had become the fastest-growing federal student loan program and charged interest rates as high as 7.9% in recent years.
The no-limit loans make master’s degrees a gold mine for universities, which have expanded graduate-school offerings since Congress created Grad Plus in 2005. Graduate students are for the first time on track to have borrowed as much as undergraduates in the 2020-21 academic year, federal loan data show.
“There’s always those 2 a.m. panic attacks where you’re thinking, ‘How the hell am I ever going to pay this off?’” said 29-year-old Zack Morrison, of New Jersey, who earned a Master of Fine Arts in film from Columbia in 2018 and praised the quality of the program. His graduate school loan balance now stands at nearly $300,000, including accrued interest. He has been earning between $30,000 and $50,000 a year from work as a Hollywood assistant and such side gigs as commercial video production and photography.
Highly selective universities have benefited from free-flowing federal loan money, and with demand for spots far exceeding supply, the schools have been able to raise tuition largely unchecked. The power of legacy branding lets prestigious universities say, in effect, that their degrees are worth whatever they charge.
“Students gravitate to Columbia because Columbia’s Columbia, right?” film professor and writer-director Katherine Dieckmann said in a 10-minute video about the program that the school posted on YouTube in 2019. “It’s a world-class, Ivy League institution with access to all kinds of other departments, other ideas. It’s a world-class university. And the next thing is it’s in New York City. And I think that combination of elements is pretty seductive.”
That was the case for Columbia film MFA student Patrick Clement, who attended community college in California before transferring to the University of Kansas for his bachelor’s degree.
Photo: Patrick Clement
“As a poor kid and a high-school dropout, there was an attraction to getting an Ivy League master’s degree,” said Mr. Clement, 41. He graduated in 2020 from Columbia, borrowing more than $360,000 in federal loans for the degree. He is casting for an independent film, he said. To pay the bills, he teaches film at a community college and runs an antique shop.
Columbia grad students who borrowed money typically held loans that exceeded annual earnings two years after graduation in 14 of the school’s 32 master’s degree programs tracked by the Education Department, the Journal found. In about a dozen Columbia master’s programs, the majority of recent graduates weren’t repaying the principal on their loans or took forbearance, according to data released for the first time this year.
Julie Kornfeld, Columbia’s vice provost for academic programs, said master’s degrees “can and should be a revenue source” subsidizing other parts of the university. She also said grad students need more financial support.
In the past four years, Columbia School of the Arts said it has increased average scholarships by about a third to nearly $24,000. The length of the MFA film program also was reduced to a maximum of four years from five.
In April, Columbia announced a $1.4 billion fundraising campaign aimed at financial aid. Mr. Bollinger said administrators have yet to settle on how much will go to students in master’s degree programs.
Debt counselors recommend students not borrow more than they will earn right out of school. Yet about 38% of master’s programs at top-tier private universities in the U.S. failed that test, according to the Journal’s analysis of salary data for graduates from the 2015 and 2016 classes, the latest available.
At for-profit schools, a common target of regulators for high student debt and poor job prospects, 30% failed to meet the debt counselors’ advice.
Photo: Daniel Christensen
Ozan Jaquette, an associate professor of higher education at the University of California, Los Angeles’s Graduate School of Education and Information Studies. His doctoral dissertation was on the growth of master’s programs.
“They’re not really held accountable for the myth they’re selling to students. We should not be giving federal-aid dollars to these programs that systematically saddle students with high debt.”





Sad. And all of these masters students are, by definition, college grads. Here in the 21st century, the compensation statistics for program grads are just a click away on the internet, and anyone with a 6th grade proficiency in arithmetic can estimate the opportunity cost of these programs.
I’m not trying to blame the victims. I believe that student loans should be dischargeable through bankruptcy, like other loans. Yes, I understand that there’s no collateral for student loans, but the risk still needs to be on the lender–that’s why they get the big bucks. It will mean that education loans will dry up, at least for many or most humanities graduate programs at elite private universities. In his book “The Graduate School Mess,” Leonard Cassuto described the anachronistic practice of training PhDs for nonexistent academic jobs as “minting expired passports.” Even in the STEM fields, a shrinking minority of PhDs get tenure track academic positions.
You know what? You can get a perfectly fine education at a state university at a fraction of the cost and with very little difference in documented earning power after graduation.
I think there might be a business model for elite universities to grant money from their endowments with the expectation that the highly successful will donate enough to cover the marginally successful. Such a model should not involve federal guarantees.
It is nearly the same business model as the risk is on the lender, but the student should not need to file bankruptcy.
@Arne,
Brandeis announced tuition-free enrollment for qualifying students from families with household income <$75K.
And Columbia (the undergraduate College of the University discussed above) started that trend by declaring that anyone whose parents make less than $125K/year would not need to borrow–if they are admitted, of course.
More on no-loan programs:
“Schools that have adopted so-called no-loan programs in recent years — including Harvard University, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Brown University, Amherst College, Smith College, and Williams College — say they aim to send a clear message to prospective low- and middle-income students: If you have the academic chops to gain admission, you can afford to attend, something “that can be transformative for a young person,” said Claudia Marroquin, dean of admissions and student aid at Bowdoin.
No-loan programs are among the ways colleges are appealing to low- and middle-income families; many schools also offer no-tuition deals for families under certain income thresholds. MIT, for example, said Wednesday it has expanded its financial aid program so undergraduates with family income below $200,000 can expect to pay no tuition, instead paying a maximum of $23,970 for housing, dining, fees, books, and personal expenses. Families earning under $100,000 can expect to “pay nothing at all” for an MIT education.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/11/21/metro/colleges-financial-aid-no-loan-programs/
Joel:
I have seen Williams and would recommend it as a place to go. Nothing like being call “sir” at 30-something by a student. I was dressed in a suit at the time.
@Bill,
It’s a lovely campus. I was there a couple times for theater and an art show because it was close to where my folks retired. One of my HS classmates went there for college and a gal who was a postdoc in the same department ended up on the biology faculty there.
Joel:
I was there for an interview with Sprague. They put me up in the Williams Inn. Even North Adams was not bad looking. Everything was clicking with Sprague and that day, they sold the company. Personnel came bad while I was there, apologized and told it was nothing I did caused the interview to end. The interview was going weel and he took me over to the art museum to see the second largest collection of Renoirs (this was before the announcement). We had, had lunch in the William College cafeteria.
I could see raising my three there.
@Bill,
We’ve been to North Adams a couple times, for theater and for Mass MoCA, a contemporary art museum housed in 230,000 square feet of renovated factory space. Great fun.
Joel:
That was a part of Sprague. Former Sprague Electric factory has been turned into an exhibit-MASS MoCA
I liked those old factories and the town around it. I drove out there from Boston and experienced my first hair-pin turn a tall hill.
If schools want to increase aid levels that’s okay, but it still is only a marginal improvement for a Masters program where half of their graduates after 2 years make less than $30000/year. Seems preposterous. If the other half are making tons of money, well I can sort of understand this a little better.
@Eric,
LOL! I’m confident that these decisions are approved by the boards of trustee of these universities, which are dominated by conservative businessmen who know a great deal more about the university business model and resources than you do.
Joel, I am referencing the student perspective, not the administration. Columbia can work their side to make it okay for them. But the product is a disgrace. More years of school, $181k and half are under $30K after 2 years? That’s the proposition for the marks? Sorry, students? I guess I have a misconception of the industry. I would have thought that Marxist analysis would apply here. Groucho, that is. “I can’t risk using someone willing to do it for dog food.” But I guess lots of the industry can risk it.
@Eric,
Something much closer to libertarian than Marx. Students have the freedom to decide what to do with their lives and private universities have the freedom to accommodate them. Not much different that kids who waste their college years in sports and never go pro. Not choices I would make. I went to state universities in STEM programs. Not everybody’s cup of tea, either.
Disagree. Few college athletes take on large debt thinking pro money will make it payable. They know pretty well if they have a shot. Even if it runs at 100% error, that’s not a large population struggling with the realities. One in a hundred football players might make it but two in a hundred might think they can. Still 98% understand very well going pro isn’t going to be their payday. I bet that is very different in film studies. I’d be surprised if even 15% weren’t thinking the film industry would be their career. If everyone is made aware that median income is going to be this low, okay. But this is an example of why there is not a whole lot of enthusiasm for student debt relief outside of the debtor population. I’m supposed to kick in via taxes to pay down someone’s $181k debt incurred to launch a $30,000/year career? I’ll pass.
@Eric,
“They know pretty well if they have a shot.”
LOL! And you know this . . . how?
“I bet that is very different in film studies.”
I bet it isn’t.
“I’ll pass.”
You? Who are you?