Walz v Vance Debate
Another take on J.D,’s and Tim’s debate last night. Tim came off the line rather slow last night. This is like the gearing in some automobiles where you are slow off the line and gain greater speed as you go along. It was pretty clear Tim owned J.D. at the end.
Will it change votes, probably not. “A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.”
Joyce Vance at Civil Discourse. Walz versus Vance
Governor Walz seemed nervous starting out but closed strong. He scored points when J.D. Vance refused to disavow family separation and pretended that his ticket would support shaking hands and “coming back together” if they lost the election. But Vance was slick, rehearsed and had a good presentation. He had obviously been coached to highlight areas of agreement with Walz so he could appear reasonable, and the absence of all but the most basic fact-checking during the debate meant he was able to get away with attractive but untrue claims about issues like never calling for a national abortion ban and support for the Affordable Care Act.
Vance’s views on abortion can be found in this issue (above). “J.D. Vance Wants Police to Track People Who Have Abortions,” The Lever.
J.D. Vance did all he could to pretend January 6 never happened and that Donald Trump was a normal political candidate. If only voters would forget the 2020 election, Vance might get away with it.
Walz asked J.D. (alias Vance) if Trump lost the 2020 election. Vance responded,
“Tim, I’m focused on the future. Did Kamala Harris censor Americans from speaking their mind in the wake of the 2020 COVID situation?” Walz responded perfectly:
“That’s a damning non-answer.”
J.D. said they want to win women’s trust and that voters want Trump to restore common sense. He sounded good saying it, but there wasn’t a lot there for voters who are interested in more than surface level appeal.
At the end of the debate, the issue is:
Will it move the needle in any way?
The answer is, not likely. The kind of folks who self-selected to watch it are largely already decided. This was the kind of traditional debate that is more likely to lock voters into their preconceived picks than to change their minds. Perhaps the awkward, painful minute where Vance tried to mansplain the moderators, repeatedly talking over them as they tried to limit him to the time he was allotted by the rules, might have some impact. What mattered so much to J.D. Vance? He wanted to lie some more about immigrants in Ohio.
Even if no minds are changed, the debate was still illuminating. J.D. Vance is as uncommitted to the truth as Donald Trump is.
The election is in thirty-four days. Make sure you’ve got plans to vote.
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What debate did you watch.
The big eye opener for me was Walz’ response to censorship. You said Vance is as uncommitted to the truth as Donald Trump is. But years of censorship against political opponents only leads to more digging in, more separation, and more crazier points from both sides. Americans are very good at identifying and calling out bullshit, so let them. Truth always wins out from free and open communication. China, Russia, Iran is an example of what happens when government moderated censorship exists. Let open debate play out, without silencing. Do you see the current shift away from the left? I miss the days of old when democrats had such strong, believable, logical arguments. It is the reason I am now an independent. Observing last nights debate from an independent prospective only made me fall further away from the left.
Anarchist here ~ I call bullshit. “Patriotic Independent voter” is canard. You’re either with us, or against us. It’s not a question. You’re either with freedom and progress, or with dictatorship and the End of America. Yeah, I miss the days when it could be hazy, when “liberal” was hippie pipe-dreaming and conservatives could be counted on to obey the law, but those days are gone. You can’t have your cake and eat it too
I look forward to this being over and I can be an Anarchist again …
Victor:
Your comment is here . . .There was nothing else for today except you claiming a comment being deleted. I had to approve your post a while back about noon.
The big eye-opener for me was Vance’s shameful unwillingness to admit that Trump lost in 2020. Vance is indeed as uncommitted to the truth as Donald Trump is. I miss the days of old when Republicans at least attempted to mount believable and logical arguments, and had the testicularity to reject a GOP crook as president. It should be a deal-breaker for any patriotic independent voter. Observing last night’s debate from an objective perspective only further confirmed that the GOP is a cult, not a party.
Patriotic Independent voter here. I wrote a reasonably fair response on censorship to this post only to have it deleted. Followers are not gained by objective censorship, they are lost,
@Victor,
LOL! What response was deleted? Certainly not by me.
I’m not interested in your followership, certainly if you believe denying the result of an election is patriotic.
I particularly enjoyed Vance’s complaint that the moderators were fact checking him. Yeah, how dare anyone insist upon facts?
Amazing how you people dont see what is really happening.
Did you actually see the “I’m a knucklehead” part?
The “I cannot rebut the fact that I lied thru my teeth about China” part.
You people sicken me. Sycophancy. You should be embarassed but your degrees and hubris don’t allow it.
MIke:
Who won in 2020???
@Mike,
LOL! Amazing how you people don’t see what is really happening.
Did you actually see the “illegal alien” part?
The ‘I cannot rebut the fact that I lied thru my teeth about Haitian immigrants part?’ The ‘I refuse to acknowledge my lies about the 2020 election part?’ That Vance lied about never supporting a national abortion ban? That he lied about Trump rescuing the ACA?
Nobody cares that Walz misremembered the timing of a trip to China 20 years ago. We care about what’s happening today in our own country.
You people amuse me. Cultists. You should be embarassed, but your Trump worship and hubris don’t allow it.
Heh.