COVID-19 vaccines have saved, not killed millions
“COVID-19 vaccines have saved, not killed, millions”
as taken from
Fact check usatoday.com, Joedy McCreary, November 8, 2023
‘It’s just completely impossible.’
The claim originated in a Dec. 2 Slay News article cites leaked official data to assert that more than 20% of vaccinated New Zealanders have died.
COVID-19 became widespread in New Zealand for the first time in 2022 with the arrival of the highly infectious omicron variant, and 3,361 deaths in New Zealand have been directly attributed to COVID-19, Te Whatu Ora leader Margie Apa told New Zealand news website Stuff.
But just four deaths in New Zealand have been potentially linked to COVID-19 vaccines, Apa told Stuff.
The math simply disproves the claim.
Nearly 4 million people in New Zealand have received two doses of an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine as of Dec. 1, according to public health agency Te Whatu Ora. For the claim to be true, at least 800,000 of those vaccinated people would have had to have died.
From the start of 2020 through June 2023, there were about 125,000 total deaths attributed to all causes, according to Statistics New Zealand, the country’s government data agency.
Fact check: Post exaggerates global deaths, then blames them on the COVID vaccine
- “For 20% of them to die is just completely outrageous and impossible if you look at the total deaths for the country,” Jeffrey Morris, the director of the biostatistics division at the University of Pennsylvania’s medical school, told USA TODAY.
“It’s just completely impossible.”
- There is no evidence the vaccines are behind any rise in deaths. Dr. Amesh Adalja, a senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, said in an email to USA TODAY. He pointed out elderly people are more likely than younger people both to die and to be vaccinated.
- Dr. David Weber, an infectious disease expert at the University of North Carolina, agreed that there is no evidence of a causal link.
“Almost everyone in New Zealand is now immunized, and so most of the deaths will occur in immunized people,” he told USA TODAY. “But that doesn’t mean that being immunized is not protective.”
Three knowledgeable healthcare medical doctors comment on the Slay News story telling. It is not even a good story.
“Tax money Capitalists”, It’s a new club that’s been around for 60 years. Join it if you can.
Good name for a book. You’re welcome to use it.
Panic, fear, and uncertainty demand strong leadership; all the better if the panic, fear, and uncertainty are all made up from manufactured lies and the strong leadership is a sociopathic autocrat.
Merry Christmas and happy New Year. It is only going to get worse from here. Keep your hands and feet inside the vehicle at all times. It is going to be a rough ride in 2024.
The conspiracy theorists have dismally failed to prove the vaccines unsafe.
When do their theories get answered with acceptable risk studies that infer the vaccines are safe?
@paddy,
“When do their theories get answered with acceptable risk studies that infer the vaccines are safe?”
They were answered years ago. *All* vaccines in the US must pass phase I, phase II and phase III trials. Phase I and II trials are safety trials. These must be approved before the vaccines can proceed to phase III. Phase III trials are efficacy trials, but they can also uncover safety issues. The results of these trials are published.
I was in the phase III Moderna trial. I familiarized myself with the phase I/II safety trials before I enrolled. With tens of millions vaccinated since then, the anti-vax conspiracy theories have been rebutted overwhelmingly.
Hope that helps.
I remain a skeptic.
@paddy,
Skepticism in the face of overwhelming scientific evidence is no virtue.
Ron:
Good to see you up and around. Don’t be a stranger.
Bill,
But I seem to be getting stranger every day :<) Real world activism is where I am headed if I can locate the on ramp.
Take care though.
Ron:
WE are real world. I do not lack for punch. I am just polite. You be careful. Don’t may me come and have to rescue your butt.
Conspiracy is easy. Data are hard.
https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/steve-kirschs-claim-new-zealand-data-shows-covid-vaccines-killed-millions-flawed-analysis/
claim-new-zealand-data-shows-covid-vaccines-killed-millions-flawed-analysis/
New Zealand has a population of just over 5 million. Of course the claim is idiocy and meant only to be harmful:
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=1cvly
January 15, 2018
Life Expectancy at Birth for United States, Australia and New Zealand, 2000-2021
The journalist asserts Kirsch has not proven the hypothesis the “vaccine is unsafe”.
The virtuous reply to Kirsch would be to present studies with statistical inferences that the “vaccine is safe” with a 10% or less risk that statement is in fact false.
In my testing experience we used positive hypotheses, such as “the system is reliable w/ XX% failure rate. The design included enough observations to achieve a X% consumer risk and an Y% producer risk.
Tests with such statistics would put Kirsch down.
Until then skepticism is just.
Excess deaths in 0 to 54 populations in the US are +11 sigma since spring 2021.
Excess of 3 sigma is a signal something abnormal to the system observed has acted on the system.
A few hundred thousand here and a few hundred thousand there…
I would not get in a military vehicle that has been ‘inferred’ to not be unreliable…..
New Zealand has a population of just over 5 million. Of course the claim of “millions killed” is idiocy, and meant only to be terrifyingly harmful:
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=1cvly
January 15, 2018
Life Expectancy at Birth for United States, Australia and New Zealand, 2000-2021
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=1cwut
January 15, 2018
Life Expectancy at Birth for United States, Australia, New Zealand and
UK, 2000-2021
@paddy,
“The journalist asserts Kirsch has not proven the hypothesis the “vaccine is unsafe”.”
The phrase you put in quotation marks appears nowhere in the link I provided. Obviously, you either didn’t read or didn’t understand the link I posted. When you refuse to examine contrary evidence honestly, that’s not skepticism, that’s just being obtuse.
Excess deaths, see the “all causes” chart, have been elevated since April 2020; peaking in Jan 2021, before the vaccine was generally available. Why doubt that the cause is simply Covid itself?
Joel already noted that the clinical trials answer the question. A replication would not be virtuous. Asking people to participate in a study where they are asked to not take an already proven vaccine would be unethical.
Incredible that this even needs saying. Weaponized ignorance is on the march.
Vaccines kill very few people, but anti-vax nonsense may well kill millions.
Infidel:
Nice to see you. Hope all is going well for you. True on the later and then it is too late to save them.
Thank you for deleting the post. It encourages me to make better use of my time.
Happy holidays and may you get as many web site visits your heart desires.
olddog:
Nobody purposely deleted your comment. That is my post. Do not leap to this conclusion. At times, the system trashes certain comments of which I and Joel have not control over and do not know why. If something happens to a comment of yours, I can look for it. Usually, it is in trash. Rare that it goes to spam. Not sure why.
Don’t be so quick with the accusations. You will know it if I do not like what you are doing at least once.
I once had a serious reaction to a vaccine, or so I thought. I was hospitalized a week after getting an anti-shingles shot (pre Shingrix) with seriously messed up vision.
When I told my doctors about it they said ‘it can’t be a reaction’. To which I said ok, but I still figure it was. To this day, when I bring this up, I am apparently considered an ‘antivaxer’, when I am not, hardly. Because, if someone asks ‘did you ever have a reaction’ I relate back to six months of ophthalmolgy treatment I had a week after getting an anti-shingles shot.
@Fred,
Post hoc ergo propter hoc is one of the oldest logical fallacies.
You’d need to know the details, really. It made sense to me, and still does.
@Fred,
I’m sure it does.
My wife and I both caught COVID within 3-4 weeks of getting the bivalent mRNA vaccine booster. By your reasoning, it would make sense to conclude that we caught COVID from the vaccine.
Nope. Covid is a very wily virus, somehow.
‘Wily’ implies intelligence. But physicists attribute intelligence to all manner of things. Like water somehow knowing the best way to flow down a hill.
I had a Zostavax shot and also a pneumonia vaccination one after the other. A week later I was in the hospital. I tend to get idiopathic fevers, so who knows? But I thought it should be reported as a reaction & so I did. Zostavax is no longer on the market.