Open thread March 21, 2020 Dan Crawford | March 20, 2020 9:00 am Tags: open thread Comments (6) | Digg Facebook Twitter |
It occurs to me that you can freely roam in your private car bubble during a shelter-in-place order. It sounds constitutionally protected to me under the rational test: banning sealed window car roaming has no rational relationship to a valid state objective.
I may be just getting over a pretty mild case myself.
I had planned to come out of my gated garage in Chicago to utilize the McDonald’s drive thru across the street for lunch everyday (my usual lunch). But instead I always find myself taking a short jaunt to a McDonald’s a mile away — a nice relief. Getting around a bit in our closed car bubbles may be just the thing to help us tolerate movement restrictions as this thing drags out — avoid temptation to bread the “prohibition.”
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Can you leave your county if a shelter-in-place order is in effect in the Bay Area?
By Amy Graff, SFGATE Updated 7:11 pm PDT, Thursday, March 19, 2020
In regards to leaving your home under an order, they say travel out of the county is allowed “only to perform ‘essential activities,’ operate ‘essential businesses,’ or to maintain ‘essential governmental functions,’ as those terms are defined in the Order. Otherwise, the answer is ‘no’ because that travel puts you and others in the community at risk.”
Unthought out: as long as you are alone in say your private auto and don’t make contact with anyone you don’t need to, you should be able to legally travel as far as you please. They cannot ban you from traveling to another state period because they have no jurisdiction to protect that state — nor to another country; are the seven counties shutting down airports. Pretty silly to say you cannot travel to another county (with an “n”) as long as, again, you meet no one unessential.
You can take the family out for the same old Sunday ride around.
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There should be strict work rules in place that workers who have to handle money and credit cards all day have hand washing facilities right at the work spot so they can sanitize before there is eve a chance they might touch their faces for instance. Their hands have to be covered with viruses. Same close look should be taken at all other occupations.
Another common sense thing would be some mechanism to allow people who have passed through the illness and are beyond the transmission to others phase to be returned to circulation so to speak — if there is some scientific/bureaucratic way to do it. Make up some kind of badges possibly. Might possibly get things rolling back to normal a hell of a lot faster. Make everyone feel a lot better to watch the building come back. I know there is some process by which you can tell whether someone is immune — just a question if possible to manufacture enough I guess.
When you run out of gas you will have to share your space with one of those folks who handle credit cards all day.
Oh wait. Oregon does not let you pump your own gas. My milage may vary.
Does an automatic credit card reader also share germs?
I’m more worried about the kid in the McDonald’s drive thru window. I was thinking about sanitizing my credit card but I guess he/she is going to get 100 an hour X 8 hour shift. I’m getting tired of driving a mile back and forth to McDonald’s. Can you think or any place more interesting to drive? 🙂
Drive in movies ought to thrive.
This remaking of history is appalling. While the attacks by trump are obviously racist and should not be spoken, let’s look to the facts that the Chinese screwed this whole thing up a long time ago.
Xi and the CCP deserve more blame for this pandemic than anyone else. Not to excuse the incredibly horrible response by the trump admin, the Chinese could have prevented this last December.
And now we get constant propaganda from China about how wonderful they are. That is no different than trump’s responses as to how early he knew it was a pandemic.
Xi and trump both share the same behavior.
“China Is Not the Hero of the Pandemic
You can criticize Trump without parroting Beijing’s propaganda.
When Chinese scientists identified a mystery virus in December 2019, they were ordered to stop tests, destroy samples, and suppress the news. When Chinese medical professionals began to sound the alarm, they were seized by police. For weeks, when Chinese state media went on air or to print, they ignored the virus’s spread. When government cadres heard rumors of some new SARS-like virus, they kept their heads down and continued praising party leader Xi Jinping.
China’s strategy to fight COVID-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus, though later praised by the World Health Organization and scientists worldwide, consisted of cover-ups, lies, and repression. It also failed miserably, exposing the world to this deadly sickness.
After claiming yesterday to have no new cases of the virus, China is now trying to take a victory lap, emphasizing the strength of its response—and the United States’ apparent failures—while spreading conspiracies that the U.S. government manufactured the virus. And while U.S. President Donald Trump’s sluggishness toward the outbreak merits criticism, China’s endangering of the world with its initial incompetence is certainly more to blame. Some of Trump’s fiercest public critics, however, have in their condemnations of the president remarkably ignored China’s faults or even praised the Chinese Communist Party’s response. In doing so, they are propagating falsehoods—and Chinese propaganda……
The details of China’s critical missteps are long-running and have been widely reported. When academics in 2007 and 2019 warned that a SARS-like virus could emerge from China’s wet markets, the CCP allowed these markets to stay open. A February Washington Post analysis of Chinese statements, leaked accounts, and interviews with public health officials and medical experts concluded that China’s “bureaucratic culture that prioritizes political stability over all else probably allowed the virus to spread farther and faster.” A March study by researchers at the U.K.’s University of Southampton showed that if China had acted three weeks earlier than it did, the number of coronavirus cases could have been reduced by 95 percent and its geographic spread limited significantly.
Wuhan health officials by the end of December had confirmed nearly three dozen cases of the virus and closed a market they thought was related to its spread. And yet Chinese authorities spent January denying the virus could spread between humans—something doctors had known was happening since December—and allowed a Lunar New Year banquet involving tens of thousands of families to take place in Wuhan as planned. The Chinese government later let some 5 million people leave the city without screening.
Remarkably, according to even the CCP’s own account, Xi knew about the virus for two weeks before saying anything to the public. The CCP’s flagship newspaper, People’s Daily, mentioned the epidemic and Xi’s actions to fight it for the first time only on Jan. 21—the same day the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention confirmed the first coronavirus case in the United States.
China’s failure to contain the virus can be explained by the divergence between the country’s modernized public health system and its outdated autocratic political structures. The ills of the draconian latter negated the potential benefits of the former, allowing the virus to spread from Wuhan to Thailand and South Korea and beyond.”
This is why she was my first choice to be the nominee. She is smarter and knows a lot more than anyone else. Some solace in bringing these thoughts to the Senate. Of course it would be far better if the Dems can get a majority, even with the restrictions of reconciliation bills.
” Why Elizabeth Warren Is Everywhere On Coronavirus Response
Her presidential bid is over, but the Massachusetts senator is still the Democratic Party’s ideas factory.
On March 4, Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren was in the middle of ending her 14-month presidential bid, following a disappointing finish in key states on Super Tuesday. She would officially drop out the next day.
Still, Warren found time to fire off a letter to the Department of Homeland Security, asking it to suspend immigration enforcement actions at hospitals and other medical facilities during the coronavirus outbreak.
The senator has barely let up since.
Even before she left the presidential race, Warren had worked to shape seemingly every element of the federal government’s response to the coronavirus pandemic and the steep recession that is almost certainly coming with it. Her proposal to bar companies who receive bailout funds from stock buybacks has been endorsed by even conservative Republicans, and she worked with Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) to make canceling student debt part of the Democratic Party’s proposed response to the crisis.
She’s peppered seemingly every branch of President Donald Trump’s administration with letters demanding details on how they’re responding, sending more than 25 letters to different branches and agencies, covering everyone from the Federal Communications Commission to the National Institutes of Health to Vice President Mike Pence’s office.
“This is not my first rodeo,” Warren said on a conference call hosted by progressive health care activist Ady Barkan on Wednesday night, referring to her star-making role as a watchdog during the 2008-2009 financial crisis. “We need a big enough stimulus package to support the economy. If we go small, giant corporations will recover but working families won’t.”….
Warren’s biggest influence so far has come from pushing for restrictions on industries that receive bailouts: On Tuesday, she rolled out a list of eight conditions she argued should be placed on any company that receives government funds to help stay afloat during the pandemic, including a permanent ban on stock buybacks, a three-year ban on dividends or executive bonuses and setting aside board seats for employee-elected representatives.
“To earn Democratic support in the Congress, any economic stimulus proposal must include new, strong and strict provisions that prioritize and protect workers, such as banning the recipient companies from buying back stock, rewarding executives, and laying off workers,” Schumer and Pelosi said in a joint statement.
Warren’s also helped shape Senate Democrats’ legislative response. On Thursday morning, Schumer ― along with Warren and Democratic Sens. Patty Murray of Washington and Sherrod Brown of Ohio ― unveiled a plan to cancel student loan payments for the duration of the coronavirus crisis and to cancel at least $10,000 for every student loan borrower.
And on Saturday, Schumer, Warren and Oregon Sen. Ron Wyden (D) announced a proposal to increase Social Security benefits by $200 a month for all recipients over the next two years.”