Trump says AHCA is “Mean”
Lifted from Robert’s Stochastic Thoughts
Trump says AHCA is “Mean”
One source said Trump called the House bill “mean, mean, mean” and said, “We need to be more generous, more kind.” The other source said Trump used a vulgar phrase to describe the House bill and told the senators, “We need to be more generous.” AP News
I think this “vulgar phrase” baryard metaphor is slang-term-for-reproductive-act-ing idiotic. But I do think the unsurprising news about Trumps constancy is of some relevance. The Senators at the meeting were forcibly reminded that, if they vote for the modified AHCA, Trump will stab them in the back. It will be even more horribly unpopular when its effects are felt than it is now (it’s polling 17-25% approval). Trump will denounce the bill if he ever signs it. If a bill passes, his line will be that it was a horrible horrible bill written by “mean” idiots in Congress, but he had to sign it because Obamacare was collapsing. This will make the cost of voting yes even higher than it otherwise would be (and do nothing for Trump who won’t convince anyone but his fanatic fans and isn’t up for election in 2018 anyway). Of course it is obvious that Trump throws people under the bus carrying the wolves after stabbing them in the back. But a vivid reminder at a critical moment can’t hurt.
People voted for mean. I am sure President Trump will be set on the true path soon.
Heim,
nah, people voted for mean and stupid. But this is only mean.
Actually, it’s more stupid than mean. Pre-existing conditions will still be covered by new policies, which is bot mean, but stupid. Pre-existing conditions should be covered by the policy in force when the condition was first diagnosed. It is also stupid to penalize uninsured people people upon obtaining coverage, because that just gives them reason to delay getting coverage.
Warren,
Of all the subjects in the world, healhtcare is the last thing you should talk about. Your comment is Billy Madison worthy:
“What you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”
Have you actually READ the AHCA bill, EMichael? Did you even bother to read the ACA?
And, just for full disclosure, I have been working on the FFM since before the first Open Enrollment.
Maybe President Trump meant “mean” in the sense of midway between two extremes? Or he could have meant unkind or poor in quality?
What is midway between life and death? The secret process currently underway will probably result in both unkind and poor in quality. Providing unaffordable health care is stupid. Preventing access to healthcare is mean. Does the president understand that he and his fellow travellers have done everything they can to destroy the FFM? It often reminds of that joke”the operation was a success but the patient died”.
“Does the president understand that he and his fellow travellers have done everything they can to destroy the FFM?”
The first failure can be put squarely on the Obama White House, which only a few weeks before OE1 decided that people had to enroll before they could shop. There was simply not enough time to bring enough hardware online to support that surge.
Aside from that, I have not seen decisions by Congress or the administration adversely affect the FFM in any way at all.
Warren,
Take out the FF and do the math. Finally, I would rather talk to you about constitutional law than healthcare, and I have no desire to talk to you about constitutional law.
I just know what Maggie and Run (and some others) have taught me. But it is enough to know that anyone who could write:
“Pre-existing conditions will still be covered by new policies, which is bot mean, but stupid.”
should not talk about it.
EM:
It would take you 5 minutes to read the AHCA. It is a summary bringing ill will to the elderly and not Medicare eligible, those with pre-existing conditions, destroy community rating, reset the clock to pre-2010, and underfund subsidies for the healthy and those with pre-existing conditions. Meanwhile, the Senate in secrecy is preparing a revised version. The Senate has no choice but to move forward as after September, they can not do anything under the guise of reconciliation. Repubs also need to the savings from the ACA to go forward on tax reform. You can not do two reconciliations at one time and tax reform will need the same. They intend to do two budgets this year. Delaying the ACA reconciliation is a strategy.
To fully appreciate ACA Manager’s Amendment, you would need a good period of time to read. It like many insurance policies is minute in detail. Maggie, I, and others went over it.
How many years has the FFM been in place and how long did states fumble around to implement it? Another example of states acting on behalf of their constituents. Some states did not implement and others like Michigan delayed implementation to go on vacation (expensive vacation as they lost out on $thousands and penalized 10s of thousands of people).
Run,
I read the bill and the CBO score. I am just tired of people like Warren talking about people with pre existing conditions having access to healthcare. Doe not matter if they have access if there is no way in the world for them to pay for that access. Sounds too much like Paul Ryan.
EM:
Lets see how fast he responds . . .
I’m glad you managed to read the AHCA, EMichael. You now know that Sec 137(b) says, “Nothing in this Act shall be construed as permitting health insurance issuers to limit access to health coverage for individuals with preexisting conditions.” All they can do is charge another 30% for the first year of coverage (SEC. 2710A (a)(2))
Also, you can also tell us exactly what parts of the bill you do not like.
You read this bill the same exact way your read the Constitution. With absolute certainty that your thoughts are real.
They are not.
Well, Run. There is your answer. Of course another total misread. Amazing that his misreads all seem to “support” his ideology, huh?
By all means, then, present your counter-argument.
One more chance.
” All they can do is charge another 30% for the first year of coverage.”
This has nothing to do with pre existing conditions.
I know it is a total waste of time. So don’t bother me again.
You are correct, the extra 30% premium charge does not have anything to with pre-existing conditions, only with lack of continuous coverage. So again I ask, what is it, exactly, that you do not like about the AHCA?
So, you make a statement that is totally wrong(with conviction), and now you change the subject?
The AHCA is worse than before Obamacare. It will kill tens of thousands of people. It will put tens of thousands of people into bankruptcy. It will devastate the budgets of many senior citizens. It will (fill in the blank).
It is as inhumane as you are.
Now, find another strawman.
Well, Sir, now that you have read the bill, tell me EXACTLY what parts of the bill will cause those calamities, and why.
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