I read on Fox News online how Megyn Kelly “blew up” the governor of Texas by showing that transgender males using female bathrooms has not led to any more crime in schools where it has been introduced.
But the primary issue is not crime — privacy is the giant day-to-day issue — even if there were never any crime involved at all. A transgender woman with male parts still intact who is sexually attracted to women is feels no different to women than any other male. Think the former Bruce Jenner — who reportedly is still interested in women. There is a case in a high school in Palatine, Illinois where the girls are up in arms — not about crime — but about a transgender boy using the locker room where they get undressed.
And I understand they feel degraded being forced to use bathrooms other than the sex they perceive themselves to be — I understand. Which gives me a desperate idea to resolve the issue. Leave women’s bathrooms women’s bathrooms. Re-model all male bathrooms into gender neutral — hopefully relieving the subjective feeling.
I said this is desperate. Anything is better — infinitely better — than allowing any physical male (including cab drivers in a hurry) to use the female facilities just by claiming (true or not!) gender dysphoria. In a San Francisco school district 1% claim gender dysphoria. Children have no reason to make up crazy stories. That’s a lot of outwardly male-appearing males to use the facilities (and then come the cab drivers in a hurry and the men’s is out of order). http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Bathrooms-at-Miraloma-Elementary-in-S-F-go-6481544.php
This setup would not last for long I predict. Men at the local stadium would probably be irked by women using the (busy so presumably safe) men’s room rather than waiting on long lines (when you got to go you got to go. Men are much more intolerant of intrusion (even if they have infinitely less to lose). Remember mister “Don’t touch my junk!” Experimenting with the men will give a realistic idea of the kind of gross privacy intrusion you are really facing with gender neutral restrooms in public as opposed to a controlled school environments.
In the comments to one Yahoo News report is the story of a NYC public rec center where the high school swim team girls are afraid to use the locker room and shower since a very man-appearing man was spotted coming out in towel. Now all 18 of them crowd into the single spigot family shower. A crucial part of the works is that nobody may question in any way anybody who uses the neutral facility — open city. That’s the reality. Better it be experienced first by men — then we will see what happens.
If you want to play gender-doesn’t-matter then take a look at police forces across the country who mostly all train their males that there is nothing illegal about them frisking females all over — even if policy (supposedly not law) suggest limits — and what-do-you-think-of-that? A women checked for guns — which you can do without touching anywhere with fingers — is not going to do the Houdini and slip the cuffs, then do an Incredible Hulk and tear the partition aside, take a sharp object out of her bra and scratch the police officer in the front seat
They love to quote Terry v. Ohio. Terry could not have addressed the felony sex abuse limits because no female was involved and courts may only decide what is brought before them — part of checks and balances. The only sex abuse prohibition that differentiates by intent is flashing not grouping.
So we can come at the gender issue from the left as well as the right. Personally, I have thought for ten years since I found out that male on female frisking was the craziest thing I ever heard of in this country in my whole life. Now with gender neutral bathrooms (and showers and locker rooms as I read in the comments to the Yahoo News comments — too bad I didn’t think to save it while it was at 400 comments; now up to 4000, almost all vehemently and at length opposed) I know what number two is.
For Bears obsessed with my personal life I present my new circadian rhythm diet.
I usually ate 5 small meals a day — Type II diabetic. I could easily have skipped one if not for — don’t get much pleasure from eating; a waste of time like sleeping — if not for the energy drain that sent me to fridge.
Last week I missed the noon meal. Didn’t realize it until next day when I found the food out ready to cook. Never noticed. Repeated that day. No problem; no drain.
Then I put that together with my bounce back time which comes around 12:30PM, 1;30PM. That’s when, no matter how tired I might feel when I wake up, I bounce back to normal. Seems that can get me past any food energy need until 3PM.
If I were a doctor I could probably write a book about this. :-0
Anyway I lose about a pound for every missed 320 calorie meal. Maybe somebody else out there in the vastness can make use of this.
Denis one big problem with your proposal is that boys’ rooms in schools even know are used as prime sites for bullying and harrassment. Or have you never heard of “swirlies”? Some of this has to do with homophobia or perceived such but some of it is straight out bullying of the week.
Under your proposal trans girls who are dressed and made up as girls and often enough as very conventionally attractive girls are expected to venture into boys’ restrooms and locker rooms with no fear of being assaulted or harassed. Good luck with that.
There are common sense ways of preventing the preceived dangers of some male paedophile claiming to be a woman and access young girls. One there is NOTHING in these rules that prevents schools from establishing separate facilities for ‘Students’ ‘Staff’ and ‘Visitors’. This indeed is pretty much standard practice. Equally there is nothing that prevents parents from accompanying their children into a restroom. Or at worst for a male parent to follow someone that clearly has not transitioned in while their children are inside.
As for the rest of your post the plural of anecdote is still not data. And you don’t even provide a link to that yahoo news story. And even if you did you cite comments appended. Perhaps I could interest you in some ‘true stories’ that appeared in Penthouse. Forum.
If a male appearing adult is using a girls locker room in a way that appears to be harrassment or a preliminary to sexual assault they can be challenged by security. The whole idea that this is some sort of crisis is hysterical. And not in a funny way.
” One there is NOTHING in these rules that prevents schools from establishing separate facilities for ‘Students’ ‘Staff’ and ‘Visitors’. This indeed is pretty much standard practice. ”
Trans (identifying as) girls in a controlled school environment may be allotted their own facilities — not force according to Obama and friends. Opening up ladies rooms nationwide to anyone claiming to id as female just rips the roof off women’s and girls’ sexual privacy whenever they are outdoors. You are right; I am hysterical — quite hysterical. This is the craziest thing I know of in this country after male cops belief that they may routinely body frisk females.
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Drudge today: Female ROSS Shopper Upset Man Allowed To Use Women’s Dressing Room…
Female ROSS Shopper Upset Man Allowed To Use Women’s Dressing Room…
” Sickles said she waited, and was shocked when she watched the man walk out. He was in no way dressed as a woman,” Sickles said. “He had on jeans, a t-shirt, 5 o’clock shadow, very deep voice. He was a man.”
* * *
” If a male appearing adult is using a girls locker room in a way that appears to be harassment or a preliminary to sexual assault they can be challenged by security. ”
There’s the little problem of extreme uncomfortability. A male in the locker room is harrassment — or wouldn’t it be if you were there. Hetero-homosexual-trans, whatever it doesn’t matter to the people that count: 160 million women. The girls in the next story are portrayed as being at such a self-conscious age that some us bathroom stall rather than undress in front of other girls.
I would like somebody to show me high school girls anywhere — anywhere! — who would not be extremely uncomfortable having a male student of whatever identity in the locker or bathroom. Anywhere. Ditto for women using public facilities now have to worry about males in with them. I don’t care if anyone never committed a crime.
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Why these high school girls don’t want a transgender student in their locker room https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/why-these-high-school-girls-dont-want-a-transgender-student-in-their-locker
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What kills me is that is such a potentially hot social issue — anywhere with virtually all women! (see how the polls are when they realize it means 5 o’clock shadow in the dressing room) — that it could be just what the Republican party ordered to woo everybody back — just when I was hoping we could straighten the country out with re-unionization.
The big advantage of the experiment is that it would be recognized as such and carefully monitored by the populace and common sense could possibly win out. I compare the way the situation is going today to the way female police officers were put on the job by the courts — without the use of the critical word “experiment” — even though there was plenty of reasonable doubt. Reasonable doubt on substantive issues should have left it out of the court’s hands. An experiment the ladies were definitely entitled to.
Instead the first federal court pronounced that 95% of the job didn’t require physical strength (8 years of observing left thinking that if 10% of the police force can’t handle 5% of the time — even though it was 50% of the job — that the public couldn’t easily tell). By the time it got to Illinois the court just said: “There is no rational relationship to a valid state objective” … .
The experiment is designed largely to keep the issue in the public domain where it can at least be sorted out without being taken out of our hands by messages from on high. You are right; I am very hysterical.
I went to college in the middle of a city. The college was a series of blocks long. I lived nearby. One night on my way home I stopped in a building where classes were still going on to use the bath room. I went into the lady’s room and as I turned to lock the stall a man pushed the stall door trying to prevent my closing it. I had an umbrella so I started hitting him with it and screaming. He went away. I reported it to the security of the college but they really didn’t care since I was unharmed. As liberal as I am, I do not want men going into multi-stall restrooms. Sensitivity, in this case, could lead to ambiguous entrances. Sorry, fellow liberals. I think the genitals should dictate the usage of such rooms and, yes, it’s personal.
If you all want to talk about bathrooms lets talk about a real problem in businesses giving bathroom breaks. I read recently about chicken processors wanting their employees to wear diapers. This sounds a bit crazy to me even though through a big part of my career I was expected to give relief to my fellow workers at moments notice. We also had female bathroom cleaners who posted the times the bathroom was to be closed for cleaning. No problems ever even if some guy had to rush in to go. None of this was ever abused in any way buy bathrooms are often the source of rumors and is often unfortunately the source of what is really happening around the company. Lesson learned is always make sure before you go in that there is toilet paper available…
A very big deal in this radical ideology — from the NYC rec center story with the 18 swim team girls who are now forced to crowd up in the family shower with one spigot; unfortunately now buried in 5,000+ comments — a core part of the philosophy is that no questions may be asked, nor any documentation about gender requested of anyone entering any facility.
If this ever gets going to be a universally practiced thing I would like to perform an experiment: go to a busy Target with male and female bathrooms adjacent to each other (and preferably buried back out from sight of the main concourse like at my Walmart) — and put up a tape with a sign attached that the men’s is “out of order” across the men’s entrance. Then stand back with a camera and record how many men use the ladies.
As a rush, rush 28 year cab driver I’m pretty sure I would have — at least after yelling in to make sure nobody’s there; maybe wait for them to leave, maybe not.
I cannot believe what the world is coming to: men in women’s bathrooms and locker rooms — Donald Trump for president!
The Donald has already spoken on this. He said (paraphrasing) that of course Caitlyn Jenner would be welcome in any of his resort properties and of course he would prefer that she use the restroom where she is most comfortable just like all his guests.
I think you’re going to need to find some other help with your hysteria. They have a lot of good prescription anti anxiety meds now. Anything’s possible.
Meanwhile I have been following this “anti conservative bias on Facebook” story with some interest. Full disclosure I should reveal that 1> I am neither conservative nor 2> On Facebook.
But the story is interesting to me mostly because of the outrage voiced by supposed conservatives regarding what is essentially private policy regarding private property. There is no more protection of “free speech” on Facebook than there is in any privately owned shopping mall. And free speech rights on private property is essentially settled law in this country.
Moreover they don’t appear to understand the essential business of Facebook: Helping advertisers identify prospects and deliver compelling messaging in an environment that supports commerce. AKA “the purchase decision”.
In that light, Facebook’s decision to limit exposure to the latest Breitbart or Faux News outrage du jour is not only understandable but quite likely. In that it would tend to degrade that “advertiser friendly” environment.
I found it rather hilarious to learn that Zuckerberg was willing to meet with Glenn Beck et. al. this week. But then it got even funnier when the poor Breitbart gang got left out.
I think the ladies room at Trump Tower would be the one to go hysterical if BRUCE Jenner, fresh from his Olympic pentathlon Gold Medal decided to use the ladies room.
BRUCE made a lot of babies. Late reports are that he is still interested in women. What difference between a male who ids as a male in the ladies or a male who ids female but is still intact below and still attracted to females?
Remember this isn’t primarily about crime — it is always and at all time about privacy.
And I reiterate: A very big deal in this radical ideology — from the NYC rec center story with the 18 swim team girls who are now forced to crowd up in the family shower with one spigot; unfortunately now buried in 5,000+ comments — a core part of the philosophy is that no questions may be asked, nor any documentation about gender requested of anyone entering any facility.
Still with the poor swim team girls eh? So help me out, what is to be done if the team manages to win entry to some meets in europe, where shower facilities are not always segregated by gender? In what sense is showering either mandatory or a guaranteed right with one’s preferred crotch style?
They should probably find a way to grow up sometime. It’s good for everyone.
An interesting twist on “candid camera” experiment where we sneakily string an “out of order” sign across the men’s room entrance — adjacent to a ladies entrance — and record how many men (accustomed to occasionally seeing other men use the ladies) use the ladies …
… would follow decoy male set up by us who entered the ladies to see if — monkey see; monkey do — the random male follows. Be interesting to hear what the conversation between the two might be.
Ok since we are now into argument via anecdote, I realized I have one of my own to share:
The year is 1990something and I’m at a large outdoor venue near Austin to see the Indigo Girls perform. I am neither surprised nor dismayed to see the crowd is an inversion of most live music performances I attend – it’s about 20:1 women/men instead of the usual reverse ratio.
But as the band warms into their first set the insane lines for the women’s restrooms start motivating the braver lesbians to crash the men’s room. And once they start they more or less take over. The men’s room becomes a defacto womens room with urinals. Without incident.
But the experience of trying to use an open urinal while many women were watching really moderated my inclination to keep drinking. Anything. But especially beer.
I read on Fox News online how Megyn Kelly “blew up” the governor of Texas by showing that transgender males using female bathrooms has not led to any more crime in schools where it has been introduced.
But the primary issue is not crime — privacy is the giant day-to-day issue — even if there were never any crime involved at all. A transgender woman with male parts still intact who is sexually attracted to women is feels no different to women than any other male. Think the former Bruce Jenner — who reportedly is still interested in women. There is a case in a high school in Palatine, Illinois where the girls are up in arms — not about crime — but about a transgender boy using the locker room where they get undressed.
I know transgender is a trying condition. 19 times the suicide rate according to a New York Times story.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/23/opinion/sunday/richard-a-friedman-how-changeable-is-gender.html?_r=0
And I understand they feel degraded being forced to use bathrooms other than the sex they perceive themselves to be — I understand. Which gives me a desperate idea to resolve the issue. Leave women’s bathrooms women’s bathrooms. Re-model all male bathrooms into gender neutral — hopefully relieving the subjective feeling.
I said this is desperate. Anything is better — infinitely better — than allowing any physical male (including cab drivers in a hurry) to use the female facilities just by claiming (true or not!) gender dysphoria. In a San Francisco school district 1% claim gender dysphoria. Children have no reason to make up crazy stories. That’s a lot of outwardly male-appearing males to use the facilities (and then come the cab drivers in a hurry and the men’s is out of order).
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Bathrooms-at-Miraloma-Elementary-in-S-F-go-6481544.php
This setup would not last for long I predict. Men at the local stadium would probably be irked by women using the (busy so presumably safe) men’s room rather than waiting on long lines (when you got to go you got to go. Men are much more intolerant of intrusion (even if they have infinitely less to lose). Remember mister “Don’t touch my junk!” Experimenting with the men will give a realistic idea of the kind of gross privacy intrusion you are really facing with gender neutral restrooms in public as opposed to a controlled school environments.
In the comments to one Yahoo News report is the story of a NYC public rec center where the high school swim team girls are afraid to use the locker room and shower since a very man-appearing man was spotted coming out in towel. Now all 18 of them crowd into the single spigot family shower. A crucial part of the works is that nobody may question in any way anybody who uses the neutral facility — open city. That’s the reality. Better it be experienced first by men — then we will see what happens.
Meantime the letter of the law at the airport is that once you enter the security zone you may not leave even if on opposite gender TSA agents are there to frisk you.
http://ontodayspagelinks.blogspot.com/2010/12/tsa-opposite-gender-screening-mandatory.html
If you want to play gender-doesn’t-matter then take a look at police forces across the country who mostly all train their males that there is nothing illegal about them frisking females all over — even if policy (supposedly not law) suggest limits — and what-do-you-think-of-that? A women checked for guns — which you can do without touching anywhere with fingers — is not going to do the Houdini and slip the cuffs, then do an Incredible Hulk and tear the partition aside, take a sharp object out of her bra and scratch the police officer in the front seat
They love to quote Terry v. Ohio. Terry could not have addressed the felony sex abuse limits because no female was involved and courts may only decide what is brought before them — part of checks and balances. The only sex abuse prohibition that differentiates by intent is flashing not grouping.
So we can come at the gender issue from the left as well as the right. Personally, I have thought for ten years since I found out that male on female frisking was the craziest thing I ever heard of in this country in my whole life. Now with gender neutral bathrooms (and showers and locker rooms as I read in the comments to the Yahoo News comments — too bad I didn’t think to save it while it was at 400 comments; now up to 4000, almost all vehemently and at length opposed) I know what number two is.
For Bears obsessed with my personal life I present my new circadian rhythm diet.
I usually ate 5 small meals a day — Type II diabetic. I could easily have skipped one if not for — don’t get much pleasure from eating; a waste of time like sleeping — if not for the energy drain that sent me to fridge.
Last week I missed the noon meal. Didn’t realize it until next day when I found the food out ready to cook. Never noticed. Repeated that day. No problem; no drain.
Then I put that together with my bounce back time which comes around 12:30PM, 1;30PM. That’s when, no matter how tired I might feel when I wake up, I bounce back to normal. Seems that can get me past any food energy need until 3PM.
If I were a doctor I could probably write a book about this. :-0
Anyway I lose about a pound for every missed 320 calorie meal. Maybe somebody else out there in the vastness can make use of this.
Denis one big problem with your proposal is that boys’ rooms in schools even know are used as prime sites for bullying and harrassment. Or have you never heard of “swirlies”? Some of this has to do with homophobia or perceived such but some of it is straight out bullying of the week.
Under your proposal trans girls who are dressed and made up as girls and often enough as very conventionally attractive girls are expected to venture into boys’ restrooms and locker rooms with no fear of being assaulted or harassed. Good luck with that.
There are common sense ways of preventing the preceived dangers of some male paedophile claiming to be a woman and access young girls. One there is NOTHING in these rules that prevents schools from establishing separate facilities for ‘Students’ ‘Staff’ and ‘Visitors’. This indeed is pretty much standard practice. Equally there is nothing that prevents parents from accompanying their children into a restroom. Or at worst for a male parent to follow someone that clearly has not transitioned in while their children are inside.
As for the rest of your post the plural of anecdote is still not data. And you don’t even provide a link to that yahoo news story. And even if you did you cite comments appended. Perhaps I could interest you in some ‘true stories’ that appeared in Penthouse. Forum.
If a male appearing adult is using a girls locker room in a way that appears to be harrassment or a preliminary to sexual assault they can be challenged by security. The whole idea that this is some sort of crisis is hysterical. And not in a funny way.
Bruce:
Welcome to Angry Bear. As a rule, we approve the first comment of every first time poster. Odd though, I thought I saw you here before? Welcome to AB.
” One there is NOTHING in these rules that prevents schools from establishing separate facilities for ‘Students’ ‘Staff’ and ‘Visitors’. This indeed is pretty much standard practice. ”
Trans (identifying as) girls in a controlled school environment may be allotted their own facilities — not force according to Obama and friends. Opening up ladies rooms nationwide to anyone claiming to id as female just rips the roof off women’s and girls’ sexual privacy whenever they are outdoors. You are right; I am hysterical — quite hysterical. This is the craziest thing I know of in this country after male cops belief that they may routinely body frisk females.
* * *
Drudge today: Female ROSS Shopper Upset Man Allowed To Use Women’s Dressing Room…
Female ROSS Shopper Upset Man Allowed To Use Women’s Dressing Room…
” Sickles said she waited, and was shocked when she watched the man walk out. He was in no way dressed as a woman,” Sickles said. “He had on jeans, a t-shirt, 5 o’clock shadow, very deep voice. He was a man.”
* * *
” If a male appearing adult is using a girls locker room in a way that appears to be harassment or a preliminary to sexual assault they can be challenged by security. ”
There’s the little problem of extreme uncomfortability. A male in the locker room is harrassment — or wouldn’t it be if you were there. Hetero-homosexual-trans, whatever it doesn’t matter to the people that count: 160 million women. The girls in the next story are portrayed as being at such a self-conscious age that some us bathroom stall rather than undress in front of other girls.
I would like somebody to show me high school girls anywhere — anywhere! — who would not be extremely uncomfortable having a male student of whatever identity in the locker or bathroom. Anywhere. Ditto for women using public facilities now have to worry about males in with them. I don’t care if anyone never committed a crime.
* * *
Why these high school girls don’t want a transgender student in their locker room
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/why-these-high-school-girls-dont-want-a-transgender-student-in-their-locker
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What kills me is that is such a potentially hot social issue — anywhere with virtually all women! (see how the polls are when they realize it means 5 o’clock shadow in the dressing room) — that it could be just what the Republican party ordered to woo everybody back — just when I was hoping we could straighten the country out with re-unionization.
The big advantage of the experiment is that it would be recognized as such and carefully monitored by the populace and common sense could possibly win out. I compare the way the situation is going today to the way female police officers were put on the job by the courts — without the use of the critical word “experiment” — even though there was plenty of reasonable doubt. Reasonable doubt on substantive issues should have left it out of the court’s hands. An experiment the ladies were definitely entitled to.
Instead the first federal court pronounced that 95% of the job didn’t require physical strength (8 years of observing left thinking that if 10% of the police force can’t handle 5% of the time — even though it was 50% of the job — that the public couldn’t easily tell). By the time it got to Illinois the court just said: “There is no rational relationship to a valid state objective” … .
The experiment is designed largely to keep the issue in the public domain where it can at least be sorted out without being taken out of our hands by messages from on high. You are right; I am very hysterical.
I went to college in the middle of a city. The college was a series of blocks long. I lived nearby. One night on my way home I stopped in a building where classes were still going on to use the bath room. I went into the lady’s room and as I turned to lock the stall a man pushed the stall door trying to prevent my closing it. I had an umbrella so I started hitting him with it and screaming. He went away. I reported it to the security of the college but they really didn’t care since I was unharmed. As liberal as I am, I do not want men going into multi-stall restrooms. Sensitivity, in this case, could lead to ambiguous entrances. Sorry, fellow liberals. I think the genitals should dictate the usage of such rooms and, yes, it’s personal.
If you all want to talk about bathrooms lets talk about a real problem in businesses giving bathroom breaks. I read recently about chicken processors wanting their employees to wear diapers. This sounds a bit crazy to me even though through a big part of my career I was expected to give relief to my fellow workers at moments notice. We also had female bathroom cleaners who posted the times the bathroom was to be closed for cleaning. No problems ever even if some guy had to rush in to go. None of this was ever abused in any way buy bathrooms are often the source of rumors and is often unfortunately the source of what is really happening around the company. Lesson learned is always make sure before you go in that there is toilet paper available…
A very big deal in this radical ideology — from the NYC rec center story with the 18 swim team girls who are now forced to crowd up in the family shower with one spigot; unfortunately now buried in 5,000+ comments — a core part of the philosophy is that no questions may be asked, nor any documentation about gender requested of anyone entering any facility.
If this ever gets going to be a universally practiced thing I would like to perform an experiment: go to a busy Target with male and female bathrooms adjacent to each other (and preferably buried back out from sight of the main concourse like at my Walmart) — and put up a tape with a sign attached that the men’s is “out of order” across the men’s entrance. Then stand back with a camera and record how many men use the ladies.
As a rush, rush 28 year cab driver I’m pretty sure I would have — at least after yelling in to make sure nobody’s there; maybe wait for them to leave, maybe not.
I cannot believe what the world is coming to: men in women’s bathrooms and locker rooms — Donald Trump for president!
The Donald has already spoken on this. He said (paraphrasing) that of course Caitlyn Jenner would be welcome in any of his resort properties and of course he would prefer that she use the restroom where she is most comfortable just like all his guests.
I think you’re going to need to find some other help with your hysteria. They have a lot of good prescription anti anxiety meds now. Anything’s possible.
Meanwhile I have been following this “anti conservative bias on Facebook” story with some interest. Full disclosure I should reveal that 1> I am neither conservative nor 2> On Facebook.
But the story is interesting to me mostly because of the outrage voiced by supposed conservatives regarding what is essentially private policy regarding private property. There is no more protection of “free speech” on Facebook than there is in any privately owned shopping mall. And free speech rights on private property is essentially settled law in this country.
Moreover they don’t appear to understand the essential business of Facebook: Helping advertisers identify prospects and deliver compelling messaging in an environment that supports commerce. AKA “the purchase decision”.
In that light, Facebook’s decision to limit exposure to the latest Breitbart or Faux News outrage du jour is not only understandable but quite likely. In that it would tend to degrade that “advertiser friendly” environment.
I found it rather hilarious to learn that Zuckerberg was willing to meet with Glenn Beck et. al. this week. But then it got even funnier when the poor Breitbart gang got left out.
I think the ladies room at Trump Tower would be the one to go hysterical if BRUCE Jenner, fresh from his Olympic pentathlon Gold Medal decided to use the ladies room.
BRUCE made a lot of babies. Late reports are that he is still interested in women. What difference between a male who ids as a male in the ladies or a male who ids female but is still intact below and still attracted to females?
Remember this isn’t primarily about crime — it is always and at all time about privacy.
And I reiterate: A very big deal in this radical ideology — from the NYC rec center story with the 18 swim team girls who are now forced to crowd up in the family shower with one spigot; unfortunately now buried in 5,000+ comments — a core part of the philosophy is that no questions may be asked, nor any documentation about gender requested of anyone entering any facility.
Still with the poor swim team girls eh? So help me out, what is to be done if the team manages to win entry to some meets in europe, where shower facilities are not always segregated by gender? In what sense is showering either mandatory or a guaranteed right with one’s preferred crotch style?
They should probably find a way to grow up sometime. It’s good for everyone.
An interesting twist on “candid camera” experiment where we sneakily string an “out of order” sign across the men’s room entrance — adjacent to a ladies entrance — and record how many men (accustomed to occasionally seeing other men use the ladies) use the ladies …
… would follow decoy male set up by us who entered the ladies to see if — monkey see; monkey do — the random male follows. Be interesting to hear what the conversation between the two might be.
Ok since we are now into argument via anecdote, I realized I have one of my own to share:
The year is 1990something and I’m at a large outdoor venue near Austin to see the Indigo Girls perform. I am neither surprised nor dismayed to see the crowd is an inversion of most live music performances I attend – it’s about 20:1 women/men instead of the usual reverse ratio.
But as the band warms into their first set the insane lines for the women’s restrooms start motivating the braver lesbians to crash the men’s room. And once they start they more or less take over. The men’s room becomes a defacto womens room with urinals. Without incident.
But the experience of trying to use an open urinal while many women were watching really moderated my inclination to keep drinking. Anything. But especially beer.