Indefinite detention of Americans…progress in Fed court update
Via Salon, the The Village Voice updates us on the progress on the suit by Chris Hedges and others (also see NDAA website):
The question being argued in federal court in Lower Manhattan yesterday boiled down to this: Is a law authorizing the indefinite military detention of American citizens with only the barest recourse to civil courts constitutional?
The lawsuit against the Obama administration was filed in January by seven journalists and activists, including Chris Hedges, Noam Chomsky, Naomi Wolf, and Daniel Ellsberg. The suit challenges sections of the 2012 National Defense Authorization Act, which authorize the armed forces to detain
“A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces.”
Oh, please . . . . A bunch of aging hippies agitating? Noam Chomsky is useless. He has been captive to his own fugue of narcissism for decades. Naomi Wolff? She might have been a tasty bit back in her day, but that day has long since past. Daniel Elsberg hasn’t been anybody since Richard Nixon. We should all thank them for making the world a much much more evil place in their lifetimes. Like they know anything or can do anything. As one member of the Occupy Movement put it: “Not until all the people from the 60s are dead and in the grave will our generation even stand a chance of fixing all that is wrong with this coutnry.” That’s how bady our generation screwed things up. Hussa for us.
LOL…gotta name anonymous? If that’s all you got and are a boomer as you suggest, then perhaps cliches is as far as you get…some of the Occupy people I know are also younger than boomers, some older…
Then Dan, you don’t know very many people do you? The older hippies that show up at these Occupy gatherings are mainly sent to live with the street people, the indigent, and the insane. Naomi Wolff completely took over one such gathering last Cctober so she could have the spot light shown upon her. This is why the Occupy groups don’t have leaderers because they know some Jane Fonda will show up and make it all about them. Cliches? Name calling all you got?
anonymous,
i will sign my name. anonymous is just what blogger calls me.
you are one of those people who are natsty mean ignorant and proud.
about all you accomplish here is aggravating people and wasting space.
it is entirely possible we need “better” leaders, but you don’t seem to have much to offer. and your summary of “our generatioin screwed up” is the modern version of ignorant, brain damaged, racism.
and since you are so ignorant and brain damaged i need to explain, no, it’s not about “race.” it’s just the same style of stupidity.
coberly
“Coberly”. Oh, here comes the club. The assemblage of the ignorant few to bully the rest of us. Coberly and others, here to claim their little place on blog bit world all for their very own. Driving off all outsiders and stangers. There’s FOX, the rest of the lamestream media, and then there’s you guys. Couldn’t hack it in the real world so you’ve come over to take over the “doomers.” “Nasty” is just anybody saying anything you and your little clubbers haven’t said first (the nerve).
Listen folks, this NDDA is real. I have been given “special attentions” since protesting the Iraq invasion – every plane I get on has someone watching me, especially internationally, special “inspections”, etc. My duty as a nuclear weapons officer ended 40 years ago this month. So what additional would I have to do to be considered an NDDA risk? Give to a charity with connections in the Middle East? So stop the name-calling and get real – this allows a secret police state, period, and the end of real political freedom – full stop. It needs heavy changes and real oversight to remove these dangers.
Doug
thank you. yes this is serious. the only thing(s) that make me feel a little less serious about it is… i can’t do anything about it… and it has been effectively going on for some time.
and as long as the people won’t, or can’t, do anything about it, we are just going to have to learn to live like good little soviet citizens.
coberly
Thank you Doug….the first commenter couldn’t handle the topic I guess and tried misdirection and silliness…
no courage to that for sure.
The first commentor called BS on something Dan Crawford apparently knows nothing about — the real world. Saying that the first commentor (that would be me) tried “misdirection” and “silliness” is just you being you Dan. I an sure that as long as our heroes Chomsky, Wolff and Elsberg who have had plenty of time to accomplish absolutely nothing, enjoy making a really good living out of being cultural heros (so-called). We have nothing to fear. My hat goes off to all these people so very seriously and piously guarding their livelyhoods predicting collapse at every turn, in front of a mirror. I really do. You too, Dan. You too, Coberly. So happy for your kind and welcoming assistance. The continuity of wit and wisdom that passes for Western civilization in your Afghan soccer stadium of rigidity and piousness makes me so afraid. Yeah, right.
First commenter (anonymous).
As far as I can tell Dan didn’t say anything you could have been responding to. The post is quoting another source.
Nor did that source say anything you could reasonably be responding to. It stated , objectively, who filed the suit and what the issue is.
It alerts us that a very serious threat to traditional American liberties is underway, and being challenged in court.
None of that seems to have registered with you, beyond giving you an opportunity to make ugly noises at the plaintiffs and conclude with a sweeping stupid generalization. Which suggests why you imagine you are responding to something Dan said. The “real world” you say he knows nothing about exists only in your imagination, and even i, a quondam expert in that sort of thing, can’t really say i know, or what to know, much about that.
coberly
It is a shame that a blog that presents intellectual material such as this can be derailed so easily by a troll.
It doesn’t matter who questions and stands up to the NDDA as long as someone does. The ends meet the means and if someone is doing this to get famous then so be it just as long as we can protect potential innocent Americans from cruel punishment and detention.
Please stop being so bitter that you don’t feel important add a something constructive to the argument.
-Jason
Jason
i had some misgivings about helping the troll derail this thread. But there didn’t seem to be any substantive comments coming in. except from Doug and I guess I couldn’t resist the temptation to help First Commenter see himself as others see him.
Which leaves the question… what can we do about the killing of the Bill of Rights?
Ultimately the poor plaintiffs will end up in the same court that is actively wrecking the country.
Not much in the way of protection from a Congress and Presidents of both parties who at a minimum are short sighted and unprincipled, and are most likely just sold out to those who have always favored concentration of power to the elite (themselves) with the rights of the people a mere public relations advertising jingle.
coberly