Presidents, Tax Burdens, and the Subsequent Economic Growth
by Mike Kimel
Presidents, Tax Burdens, and the Subsequent Economic Growth
Over the years, I’ve posted variations of the graph below a few times:
The graph shows the change in the tax burden (i.e., current federal receipts / GDP) from the year before an administration took office to its second year in office on one axis, and the annualized growth in real GDP from its second year to its last year in office on the other axis. So, to use GW as an example, the graph shows the change in Federal Receipts / GDP from 2000 to 2002 on one axis and the growth rate in real GDP from 2002 to 2008 on the other axis.
JFK and LBJ are bunched together because LBJ took over during JFK’s term, and the two together served eight years. Ditto Nixon/Ford. Truman, on the other hand, took over less than three months into FDR’s fourth term, and then served just shy of eight years on his own. I figured that was enough to qualify as Truman’s own administration. FDR’s 12 years in office are broken into two administrations: through 1940, and 1941 – 1944. 1941-1944, being the World War 2 years, are sufficiently different in terms of focus and goals to qualify as a different administration.
The graph is rather busy. Removing the names of the Presidents (I’ve left 3 for which reasons which will become evident later), and using Excel to add a trendline may make things a bit more clear.
The graph makes a point that would be controversial if people were aware of it, namely that in general, the more an administration reduced tax collections during its first two years in office, the faster the growth rate during its remaining years in office. (Rdan…One word correction)
This result contradicts the beliefs of most people who have taken an economics course in this country, and anyone who listens to Rush Limbaugh or watches Fox News. But the fit is surprisingly tight considering how few variables are involved. It doesn’t matter who believes it, or whether we are happy with this result. I personally would much prefer to see lower taxes leading to faster economic growth than slower economic growth, but reality is what it is, not what we want it to be.
Now, if this is true, how does it work? Well, it could be that changes in the tax burden in years 0 to 2 economic growth in later years. (That isn’t controversial, even if the direction that the data is.) But I suspect there is more at stake. The tax burden often moves, sometimes by quite a bit, even when there has been no change in marginal tax rates. I think a lot of the change has to do with regulation and enforcement. An administration that cuts tax burdens is reducing regulatory tax burdens and perhaps cutting enforcement, and not just at the IRS. A big part of that has to do with the ideology of the administration, which in turn affects who it places in key positions. The people GW brought into his administration are very different from the people FDR selected. And a tiger doesn’t change its stripes… an administration staffed by people who believe in reducing regulation in year 1 is going to be staffed by people who believe in reducing regulation in year 7.
Sadly, I now have to repeat something that keeps coming up every time I make this point. I get comments and/or e-mails and/or even people telling me in person that what is happening is that slower growth is leading to lower tax collections. Returning to the GW illustration, if you really believe that mediocre growth from 2002 to 2008 caused the reduction in tax burdens from 2000 to 2002, you may have what it takes to write for the National Review or the Heritage Foundation. I’m not impressed by arguments based on time travel, nor am I in a position to hire.
Before we go on, some housecleaning. Nominal and real GDP come from the Bureau of Economic Analysis. GDP was first computed in 1929, so the first complete administration for which we have data is FDR I. Data on the Federal government’s tax receipts comes from the Bureau of Economic Analysis’ NIPA Table 3.2.
In addition to indicating that the administrations that produced faster growth tended to be the ones that started off by raising tax burdens, the graphs tells us a few things. Many of these things are about the media and the education system in this country, as what the data shows tends to be a surprise to most people. The fastest growth occurred during World War 2, which is also when the economy could best be described as a command economy. (Think tax rates above 90%, rationing, government directives, etc.) The years from 1932 – 1940, widely perceived as being a period of slow growth, actually had the fastest peace time growth for any period for which we have data. (The economic collapse of the Great Depression occurred before FDR took office.)
But is this all an anomaly? Some artifact of the data? Unfortunately, I don’t think so. See, the graphs provide a bit of evidence that indicates the theory is actually more robust than it looks. Consider the following reasonable assumptions:
1. changes in the tax burden are indicative of behavior of the administration
2. the sorts of policies and behavior that affect of the economy don’t change over the length of an administration (i.e., the tiger doesn’t change its stripes)
3. the economy is affected by more than just the current administration’s behavior
4. some policies can take a while to have an effect
Assuming all of that, one would think that the longer an administration was in office, the more likely it is that its growth would tend toward what “it should be” given its policies. Put another way, the biggest outliers should be the four year administrations. A glance at Figure 2 tells you immediately that this is, indeed, the case. FDR’s WW2 years, Bush 1, and Carter are the outliers. And eliminating those outliers and focusing exclusively on the eight year administrations does, indeed, strengthen the model, as theory would suggest:
So what we’re left is increasing evidence that the more an administration cuts the tax burden in its first two years in office, the slower the growth it produces thenceforth. And again, you don’t have to like this result (I personally don’t) for it to be true.
All of which brings us back to Barack Obama, who is not on any of these graphs. Now, Obama inherited an economic disaster, but that’s the past. He campaigned for the right to be the one making the decisions, and he got it. And what matters is whether he makes things better. FDR inherited a much worse economic mess, and went on to produce growth the likes of which haven’t seen since. So… any chance Obama is going to pull an FDR? In a word, no. Whereas FDR raised the tax burden by more than any other President for whom we have data during his first two years in office, Obama has reduced the tax burden by about 1.2 percentage points. That puts him between Ike and Nixon/Ford when it comes to changes in the tax burden over the first two years. And both Ike and Nixon/Ford went on to produce subpar growth. So, barring some fortuitous change that has nothing to do with Obama, we can’t expect much more than mediocre growth for the remainder of Obama’s time in office. But I don’t expect his eventual challenger to learn anything from the three figures in this post either. None of this bodes well for America.
As always, if you want my spreadsheets, drop me a line at my first name (mike) period my last name (kimel – with one m only) at gmail period com. I should also point out, you can find a lot more of this sort of analysis in Presimetrics, the book I wrote with Michael Kanell.
Mike,
Do you REALLY beleive that the change in the tax rate in the first two years of a Presidency determines the GDP growth performance of the country???
REALLY? Nothing else. Just this change. No wars, oil embargo’s, bank crashes, anything?
I bought the book. And its chock full of this type of 1-D analysis. You found a nice correlation. There is no causation laid out at all. Correlation does not mean causation. You really need to understand this.
Or are you really saying the GDP growth rate of the US is dependant only on the change in tax rate in the first two years of the Presidency??? Becuase that’s what is stated here in your post.
And yes Obama’s economic performance is not going to be stellar in any sense. Hopefully he will be gone from office shortly.
Islam will change
buff,
“Consider the following reasonable assumptions:
1. changes in the tax burden are indicative of behavior of the administration
2. the sorts of policies and behavior that affect of the economy don’t change over the length of an administration (i.e., the tiger doesn’t change its stripes)
3. the economy is affected by more than just the current administration’s behavior
4. some policies can take a while to have an effect“
So no, I’m not stating in the post that the change in the tax rate is the only thing that matters. I’ve never stated that and I’ve been writing these posts for five years.
As to the one dimensional analysis… for crying out loud. This is one post. In the past I’ve had posts with regressions and a number of factors. (Even the book has one such analysis.) You know, because you’ve commented on most of them. I’ve had a few posts where I even tried taking into account multiple variables graphically which is tough to do in a blog setting. I can’t keep repeating everything I ever wrote in each new post I write or every post will be hundreds of pages long.
But… you may recall from many previous posts, one variable that does affect growth, and that is under the control of the President (unlike, say, monetary policy or conditions inherited from the predecessor or whatnot) is the tax burden. And you may recall, I started doing the two years of tax change followed by GDP changes because people kept telling me causality went the other way if there was any overlap between the two variables.
And no, correlation does not mean causality. But lack of correlation absolutely positively does mean lack of causality. And the one thing we have not seen in any of these posts is lower taxes being associated with faster growth. Again, you don’t have to like it, and I don’t have to like it (and yes, I would prefer lower taxes = faster growth) but the data shows what the data shows.
Interesting that the only 2 presidents that would be considered “1-termers” (obviously doesn’t include Ford) significantly underperformed the model.
m.jed,
I bunched JFK&LBJ and Nixon&Ford because there wouldn’t be quite enough years for some of the Presidents for there to be any effect that wasn’t completely random. (You may recall, I’ve had posts where I didn’t have the 2 years of taxes leading the remainder of growth – in those I was able to have each President looked at separately.)
But… to your point, I guess presiding over lousy growth, particularly in years 2 through 4 of your term, is one way to ensure you’ll only be a one term President.
“And yes Obama’s economic performance is not going to be stellar in any sense. Hopefully he will be gone from office shortly.” Buffpilot
I don’t disagree with the general statement, but let us not forget all the assistance through persistent resistance that Obama has gotten from the GOP side of the aisle. There is plenty of blame to go around for the current state of the union’s economy. It is hardly all Obama’s doing. A Congress full of rabid ideologues doesn’t enhance the performance of that body.
I doubt seriously that Obama will not be re-elected. He’s not likely to get interference from within the Democratic Party. And, pray tell, who of the current front running Republican contenders do we really want to take Obama’s place. At least with Obama we have a moderate Republican rather than a complete wing nut. Personally I find Obama’s performance in the areas of personal freedom and militarism to be beyond the fringe. I con’t see any improvement over GW in this case. He has been really terrible.
Jack,
I agree with what your wrote following the words “I doubt seriously…”
That said, I disagree with your first paragraph. It is Obama’s job to deal with Congress. The current batch is no more extreme than some of the folks in the Republican Revolution. Remember, there were speeches on the floor of congress supporting militias whose intention was the overthrow of the US government. Clinton simply handled it better. The Great Triangulator triangulated. Obama is the Great Folder. Remember… Obama didn’t even get “his way” when Democrats controlled both houses of congress.
Mike,
WW II US was a command economy, rationing and 40% of the economy raised for war, a lot of that demand new demand, but some shift in the form of rationing.
All those folks who say WW II ended the Great Depression ought to check and see that the US was a command economy from 1942 until well into 1946.
It was a form of government take over that ended that depression.
One might say socialism…………………………
ilsm,
Don’t forget, rapid growth began in late 1933. And some call ’33-’40 socialism too.
If the marginal tax rate is significantly higher than the corporate tax rate, wouldn’t that be an incentive for business owners to reinvest profits into the company to further enhance market share, as opposed to profit taking, looking for rents?
Mike
I’ll concede to your point concerning Obama’s dealing with a recalcitrant Congress, especially the House of Representatives. I wonder who is being represented in the House of Representatives. Certainly not the majority of the public. The Democratic Party is offering no better. Not much of any credible criticism of Obama’s fold ’em strategy. I don’t know what the answer is. I hate to think that things have to get worse before the voters will come to their electoral senses, but I doubt a change for the better in such a scenario. The key is in the control of the media. As I’ve said before, there is no fourth estate any longer. Fox News dominates the cable air ways and I can’t believe how many otherwise educated people actually watch and listen to the crap that they spew. But is the WaPo or the NY Times all that much better? The WSJ is OK for news, but most of its readers seem enamored of the editorial section which is virtually fascist in its orientation.
It’s sort of like F=ma. Sure, it doesn’t take into account friction, or viscosity, or talking animated fish, but it does predict acceleration.
ChampX2002 is right. In fact, that’s why we had such high growth rates back in the 30s through 70s. It actually made some sense for companies to invest rather than just pay huge CEO salaries.
If you leave out the FDR outliers there is no correlation (positive or negative) at all.
I guess you could say that neither tax cuts nor tax increases has an impact on future economic growth. However, there will be an impact on federal deficits.
ChampX2992,
Yup: http://www.angrybearblog.com/2010/12/simple-explanation-for-strange-paradox.html
Leppers,
The correlation, using only Truman, Ike, JFK/LBJ. Nixon/Ford, Reagan, Clinton & Bush 2 is 82%. FDR I doesn’t add much at all.
Truman, Ike, JFK/LBJ. Nixon/Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush I, Clinton & Bush 2, the correlation drops to 12%.
FDR II, Truman, Ike, JFK/LBJ. Nixon/Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush I, Clinton & Bush 2, the correlation is back up to 82%.
Thus… to get a low correlation, you have to add back in two of the three outliers (Carter, Bush I, but not FDR II), and you have to remove a non-outlier. Put another way, it requires a lot of cherry picking to get a low correlation. What you don’t get, though, is the negative correlation that the textbooks tell you to expect. You don’t end up with lower tax burdens leading to faster economic growth.
buff,
“REALLY? Nothing else. Just this change. No wars, oil embargo’s, bank crashes, anything? “
Wars of choice, some bankers made lots of money with Saudi oil at 90% margin, and since 1873 whose bank crashes have been random? Then since 1951 the military industrial congeress complex plundering of the body politic.
From 1950 the US became a militarist hegemon, which foregoing the usual colonies’ tribute has presented a braking mechanism to economic growth.
Maybe (real) taxes for wars are what needed to be cut?
Laffer could not sell that to Reagan.
I will toss this cocktai knapkin and go back to my tonic and gin, this evening.
ilsm will not change.
You ran a bivariate regression with eleven observations, and then elimiated three outliers . . . and now you’re drawing these unbelievably broad conclusions about economic reality. I think this whole post is absurd.
Still, I’d really like to focus on one thing that you just wrote here:
“But lack of correlation absolutely positively does mean lack of causality.”
If you mean that the direction of the correlation can’t be reversed, I think it’s important that you know that’s false.
Let me give you an example.
We’ve found that there is a POSITIVE association between the level of community support for rape victims and the recovery time for those victims. This contradicts theory. Why would more community support lead to longer recovery times? Should we conclude that community support is bad for rape victims?
It turns out there’s a suppression effect here. If we include a variable for the severity of the attack, we find that the relationship reverses. Victims of the most brutal attacks tend to have more community support, but they also have longer recovery times. When we control for severity, we find that the association reverses. There is actually a NEGATIVE relationship between the level of community support for rape victims and the recovery time for those victims, as theory would predict.
Um, no. It’s not like that. At all.
Do we need to discuss the difference between variables and parameters?
Jer,
I didn’t eliminate three observations. I noted that there is a positive correlation between two variables. I also noted that the three observations that fit the relationship the least happen to be the ones based on less data (i.e., 2 years of growth rather than 6). That is something the model itself would predict (see assumption 4).
As to omitted variables – please lt me know what variable’s omission has such a strong effect that it flips the sign on the effect of taxes.
Aside from debating whether a ‘Tax Burden’ is rate-based, or receipt-based .. The question I’d present about this chart/graph; is the starting-points, and reference points.
However it is that we gauge an administration’s change to the tax burden, we have to remember that each change happend from not only a different point, (JFK for example.. during his administration, tax-receipts per household, as a percentage of household income, were only ONE SEVENTH what they are now), but also happened under different taxation systems. Some administrations worked under a system where everybody paid federal income tax.. later administrations worked where up to 1/2 the households paid literally nothing in federal income tax.
IOW, an identical change in the burden of 2% for any two adminstrations on this chart, could be dramatically different, real changes. GW’s change-percentage STARTS at 700% higher than JFK’s; from a tax-payer’s perspective.
But times have changed and paying those huge CEO salaries is more politically correct and based on philosophical, rather then economic, considerations. That’s the philosophy of, you scratch my wallet and I’ll scratch yours. Are the Bds of Directors and the Compensation Committees not stacked with cronies and affiliated cohorts? Does a member of the Board not appreciate the $300,000 annual fee for a few days of work not to be worthy of anointing the head people generously for their appointments? That’s life in the modern day business world.
RweTHEREyet,
You point out my biggest issue with the entire series. The basic assumptions that the President has this kind of control over the US economy and the idea that all 4 (or 8) year periods are economically equivelent (i.e. the US economy of 1932-1936 is essentially the same as 1992-1996).
Economics can’t answer, even in hindsight, what an economic perfect President’s GDP growth would have been over any period of time. In otherwords did Clinton underperform or overperform vs. any other President is unanserable since we don’t know what the baseline is. We can’t even make a statement on how well Clinton did vs. a theoretical perfect President. For example: if Clinton had basically set on his hands for his first 4 years in office and did nothing but continue previous policies what would be the GDP growth of the US? You can’t say 2% (GW1 rate) becuase all the economic indicaters were already heading up before the election as the US entered the information age.
Even going so far as saying the baseline was the rate of the previous President won’t get you there. (though it would be an interesting look at the data). Clinton inherited the end of the Cold War and peace dividend, higher taxes, and the start if the information age from Bush Sr.(economic arrow going up already) Bush Jr inherited a almost balanced budget, the dot-com bubble bursting and then got hit by 9/11. (economic arrow heading down).
Look at the Clinton/Carter comparison. Both Democrat Presidents (with Democrat majorities in Congress for those first two years) raised taxes by roughly the same amount but Clinton got well over double the GDP growth for his efforts. According to the theory Carter should have outperformed Clinton since he had slightly more tax increases. BUt the actual reality that didn’t happen – not anywhere close.
Basically you have a nice correlation with no causation.
Islam will change
Jack,
For the first two years of Obama’s Presidency he didn’t need even 1 vote from any Republican to pass anything he wanted. He had filibuster proof majority in the Senate for the bulk of that time also. If you want to concede the point that Obama was an incompetant leader and unable to handle the legislature I won’t stand in your way. But you can’t blame the Rs or the House for Obama’s incompetance.
Your hated Bush Jr. ran rings around Pelosi and Reid during his last two years in office when the Dems had legislative majorities (which also corresponds to when the crap started hitting the fan BTW). Bush Jr. got budgets passed, overwelming bi-partisan support for operations in Iraq and Afgahnistan, and even got the debt limits raised (over then Senator Obama’s objections) with ease. Compare that to Obama’s latest budget bill got fragged by the Senate 97-0. But then again we elected the least experienced person on either ticket to be President in 2008. So what should I expect?
As for Fox News. Well I can’t believe anyone watches the crap spewed forth by MSNBC (Oh wait, no one does…). And the NYT is been found so wrong on so many things its getting to be a laughing stock. Definitely no longer the paper of record anymore. Where is the reporting on Holder’s gun-running into Mexico? Oh wait, that would make a D look bad. Can’t have that. (BTW, when are we going to see nightly the pictures of the US servicemens bodies that so many people at the MSM wanted to show under Bush Jr?)
But I’ll agree, reporting has lost what little (if it ever had any) non-partisan flavor for a long time and mostly sucks. (And why do I care about a trial in Florida over a murdered baby??? Yet it was everywhere!)
Islam will change
To add to the ‘burden’ question.. It’s not a set of tax-rates,, NOR tax-receipts.. it’s spending.
You can tax a population across the board at a forever-fixed, X%, and generate an ever-fluctating ‘Y’ receipts. But once you get into deficit spending, both rates and receipts become irrelevant, as far as the burden goes.
Deficit spending is like a blank check for tax increases. It’s as if the feds can say, “we don’t need to raise taxes.. we’ll just take out huge cash advances on a credit card, and send the taxpayers the bill“..
The straw city is growing up around Micheal’s initial post faster than weeds. Tax policy during a series of Presidential administrations together with the resulting growth or lack there of of the general economy was the point. No one suggested that the Congress was out to lunch during those periods of time. What is clear, as Michael has repeatedly pointed out, is that reducing taxes has not had the “beneficial effect” on economic growth that the current conservative ideologues would have us all believe. No, you don’t have to be a Republican to be a conservative liar. There are plenty on both sides of the aisle. What the Congressional assembly share between its members is participation in the very wealthy person’s club. They are almost all One Percenters and, therefore, think in very similar terms. The real wonder is how the other 95% of the country thinks they are fairly represented in their government. The other 4% have good reason to be confused.
Here’s an alternate theory: Policymakers are more likely to raise taxes when the economy is doing well. When the economy is trending upward, tax increases are correlated with growth in subsequent years not because higher taxes CAUSE higher growth, but because higher growth gives policymakers more leeway to increase the tax burden. If you control for the underlying economic trends, you may find the relationship is spurious, or even reversed. Given identical economic conditions, higher taxes may cause lower growth.
I’m not arguing that your theory is wrong or that my theory is correct. I’m simply suggesting that you haven’t proven anything with this absurdly simplisitc model.
Sorry, Dems did not have a filabuster proof majority in the Senate, hence the record number of filabusters in the past few years.
Sorry, Dems did not have a filabuster proof majority in the Senate, hence the record number of filabusters in the past few years.
Sorry, Dems did not have a filabuster proof majority in the Senate, hence the record number of filabusters in the past few years.
buff,
Carter had positive GDP growth.
I agree with you in part, what Clinton had going for him that might be causation (if you agree with Bastiat, and Eisenhower) was Bush Senior unlike Nixon/Ford had reduced the Military Industrial Complex bite on the economy’s jugular to 3% of GDP which helped Clinton.
Carter had about 6% of GDP going to the MICC trough.
That is 3% more of GDP pillaged from the people than Clinton endured.
And the tax increases both went to reducing cash deficits, Carter paying down Vietnam, Clinton paying off Reagan’s troughers.
ilsm will not change.
Jer, hear, hear! But, he’s heard that so many times he’s enured.
Mike,
I’ll approach this differently. I would like to see numerous prime examples of supposedly improved economic performances related to GDP growth during the two terms of the Bush II administration had (1) tax cuts not been implemented or (2) key taxes been increased. Please be specific.
Separately, I would like to know whether you believe that elimination of the Bush II tax cuts or imposition of tax increases would have improved the following economic outcomes observed during the two Bush II administratons. If so, please state why.
Each of the following economic data examples provides a graph and an embedded link for supporting data (“view data”).
1. Federal Government: Tax Receipts on Corporate Income
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/FCTAX
2. Personal Current Taxes after 2005
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/W055RC1?cid=110
3. Personal Saving Rate
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/PSAVERT?cid=112
4. Household Debt Service Payments as a Percent of Disposable Personal Income
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/TDSP?rid=89
5. US Regular Gas Prices
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/GASREGW?cid=32217
6. US Diesel Sales Prices
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/GASDESW?cid=32217
7. Light Weight Vehicle Sales: Autos & Light Trucks (ALTSALES)
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/ALTSALES?cid=98
8. Passenger Car Registrations in United States
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/USASACRQISMEI?cid=32267
9. Balance on Current Account
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/BOPBCAA?rid=49&soid=18
10. Balance on Merchandise Trade
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/BOPBM?cid=125
11. Imports of Goods and Services
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/BOPMGS?cid=17
12. U.S. Imports from China, Mainland, Customs Basis
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/IMPCH?cid=17
13. Unemployment in the United States
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/USAUEMPNA?cid=32284
14. Labor Force Participation Rate
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/USALFPRNA?cid=32285
15. Employment in Industry in the United States
Jer,
Everyone knew GW was going to cut taxes, no matter what the economy looked like. Hehe mentioned giving people back their money when times were good, and talked about how tax cuts would boost the eocnomy when times were poor. Put another way – tax cuts were his prescription for everything. And he ws made President when people thought times were good. And he was re-elected even though people thought times were poor (“don’t change horses in the middle of the stream” – remember?). Reagan went the other way. Everyone knew he was going to cut taxes no matter what. He was elected when times were poor. He was re-elected when times were good.
The only example I can think of that more or less did what you mentioned was Bush 1, and note that though he raised marginal tax rates, he still reduced the tax burden!! So it doesn’t seem your theory fits the facts.
MG ,
The second Bush tax cut set was wrong becuase we were at war. I just don’t see the wisdom in that tax cut when faced with a lot of fiscal unknowns due to on-going combat operations.
But reguardless its no longer the Bush Tax cuts. they are the Obama Tax cuts as he & the Dems actively passed laws to continue this tax policy. Obama and the Dems now own it.
Islam will change
There are too many methodological and theoretical problems with your analysis to enumerate. Here are a few:
1. Two or even four years do not a trend make. There is no such thing as “annualized growth”. What you have is a percentage change between the years.
2. There are far too few observations to draw any statistical conclusions. Eliminating the outliers makes matters worse in terms of number of observations.
3. The analysis does not deal with cyclical components in the data to get at trend which is a measure of growth. To get at this, you must use the raw data for each year.
4. Economic growth is not a function of the tax burden. Nor can it be shown that a given administration’s tax policies have much to do with growth. There are a lot of other actors and a lot of other variables that are more important.
5. The growth rate is more a function of savings rates, the efficiency of investment, governance all of which are complicated by trade, interest rates, wars etc.
6. Good effort in using data, but the model and methodology make little sense.
I get really tired of everyone here telling Mike what analyses he *should* have done (especially when they’re analyses that he has, in fact, done). MG provides a list of data sets (you go girl), seeming to suggest that if we just eyeball-correlate all of them with some indicator that we’re holding in our heads, we’ll understand what is obvious to him.
I’m from Missouri, and I say: show me the analysis MG. Do the work. I’d love to see anything you come up with, cause I’m really curious about this stuff — *especially* if it convincingly contradicts the conclusions I’ve (still, always, tentatively) come to over the years.
This stuff has been analyzed every which way from Sunday, by Mike and hundreds of other analysts — not just comparing U.S. periods, but long-term cross-national and cross-state, and a zillion combinations of periods and geo slices. Not just GDP as an independent variable, but a couple of dozen others (real GDP/capita, unemployment rate, employment rate, change in unemployment rate, industrial production, endless list). I’ve pulled the data and done quite a few of those analyses myself, cause I was curious.
Results: you have to really cherry-pick to find data set/analysis combos that support the low-taxes-faster-growth story line. Looking at cross-national data, it’s also hard to find much support for the opposite position: that higher taxes result in predictably faster growth. (Cross-state analyses do support that view more strongly, as do the US-only period analyses that Mike tends to do.)
So:
1. Go out there and look all the research. Examine it objectively, then hold up your thumb and squint. You’ll conclude that *in prosperous countries* with the range of tax levels we’ve seen in those countries over the decades (roughly 20-50% of GDP) there’s very little correlation between tax rates and growth rates. (If you’re lazy, read Nijkamp and Poot’s meta-analysis.) It’s simply not the massive, economy-destroying lever that Grover Norquist would have you believe. That’s a fantasy. If you look at state levels, you’ll even conclude that higher taxes (again, within the ranges we’ve seen) probably contribute to growth.
2. Grab some data sets and do some god damned analysis yourself, instead of just carping at Mike’s. Then share it with us. You learn a lot wandering around in the data, slicing and dicing it various ways. You learn pretty quickly where you can find cherry-picks that support your preferred views, and if you’re even slightly honest with yourself, you get a good feeling for how many of your own findings you have to ignore and brush under the rug to get those results.
“Examine it objectively” Steve Roth
I’m sorry Steve, but now you’re asking too much. The nay sayers who frequently put their useless opinions before us have no intention of being objective. That would interfere with their ideological biases.
Let’s keep going. I’m not wedded to any particular theory. I’m just arguing that your analysis is ridiculous.
Here’s another alternative: Underlying economic factors drive federal receipts. The United States derives most of its revenue from individual income taxes. We have a volatile income tax structure that’s heavily dependent on a narrow base of high-earners whose incomes tend to both under- and over-perform the economy as a whole.
It’s important to point out that your model isn’t capturing individual policy changes. You’re just assuming that receipts as a share of GDP could only change as a result of an administration cutting taxes or engaging in some other kind of policy intervention. But that’s not necessarily the case.
In fact, it’s NOT the case. Any tax policy expert will tell you that revnues — even as a share of GDP — are heavily dependent on underlying economic factors, absent any policy changes.
With Al Franken’s victory and Arlen Spector’s party switch, the Dems had a filibuster proof majority until Scott Brown won the special election for the seat held by Ted Kennedy.
Jer,
That’s why you look at more than one point. Its called statistics. In the real world, there are outliers, but you try to make sense of the data you have. I’ve pointed out that the outliers are exactly the ones you’d predict (i.e., the four year terms). And I’ve done similar exercises with state level data, with federal level data, with tax burdens (computed as a percent of GDP, as in this post, and computed as a percentage of personal income) and federal income taxes. What fails to show up, without crazy assumptions or severe cherry picking of data, is lower taxes accompanying or leading faster growth. The dog just won’t bark.
To use the example you’re bringing up… FDR inherited a worse mess than any President in our history. He went on to produce a faster average economic growth for his entire term than any other President since 1929 produced in their best since year. What, pray tell, would Reagan or GW or Obama, for that matter, have done? Raise the tax burden too?
Mike Kimel,
I am reposting part of previous comment so that you know it was directed to your attention.
I’ll approach this differently. I would like to see numerous prime examples of supposedly improved economic performances related to GDP growth during the two terms of the Bush II administration had (1) tax cuts not been implemented or (2) key taxes been increased. Please be specific.
Separately, I would like to know whether you believe that elimination of the Bush II tax cuts or imposition of tax increases would have improved the following economic outcomes observed during the two Bush II administratons. If so, please state why.
Each of the following economic data examples provides a graph and an embedded link for supporting data (“view data”).
1. Federal Government: Tax Receipts on Corporate Income
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/FCTAX
2. Personal Current Taxes after 2005
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/W055RC1?cid=110
3. Personal Saving Rate
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/PSAVERT?cid=112
4. Household Debt Service Payments as a Percent of Disposable Personal Income
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/TDSP?rid=89
5. US Regular Gas Prices
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/GASREGW?cid=32217
6. US Diesel Sales Prices
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/GASDESW?cid=32217
7. Light Weight Vehicle Sales: Autos & Light Trucks (ALTSALES)
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/ALTSALES?cid=98
8. Passenger Car Registrations in United States
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/USASACRQISMEI?cid=32267
9. Balance on Current Account
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/BOPBCAA?rid=49&soid=18
10. Balance on Merchandise Trade
You say “The graph makes a point that would be controversial if people were aware of it, namely that in general, the more an administration reduced tax collections during its first two years in office, the faster the growth rate during its remaining years in office.”
In reading the posting, I think that you meant to say either “the more an administration increased tax collections during its first two years in office, the faster the growth rate during its remaining years in office” or “the more an administration reduced tax collections during its first two years in office, the slower the growth rate during its remaining years in office.”
Did I miss something?
You’re saying that we need to look at more than one data point. Then you’re building your theoretical counter-argument off of a single president (FDR). As another commenter pointed out, if you eliminate FDR from the data set, you find no relationship between these two variables. This is exactly what you’d predict because at no other point in our history were we recovering from 30 percent unemployment, and then thrust into the greatest militart conflict in history. Since we only have eleven data points, this is pretty likely to distort our findings, don’t you think?
The problem with this and all of your analysis is that you make causal assumptions where they’re not justified. For example, in your book, it’s one thing to say that more jobs were created under Jimmy Carter’s tenure in office than under any other president since WWII. It’s totally different to say that Jimmy Carter created more jobs than any other president. The fact that you still don’t get this distinction is baffling to me.
As you say in your book, “[A]s the world changed dramatically over the decades leading up to 1952, we can find no strong parallels between events prior to 1952 and those that came after. The Great Depression, World War II, and the post-War demobliization of forces, the Marshall Plan to rebuild Europe, followed by a global Cold War . . . were all events that radically reshaped history.”
Why do these things suddenly not hold true here?
MG,
I don’t have time for homework assignments. And what you’re asking for is more than one just one post. If this is a consulting job you have in mind, we can discuss my rates offline.
If on th eother hand, you want to write your own post, I’m sure that Dan would post it.
That said, I’ll answer the first question you brought up… corporate taxes. I realize you feel its just a coincidence, but it is one heck of a coincidence that the peak there happens to be when corporations were allowed to repatriate income at very low rates. To a guy like me, who thinks its more than just a coincidence, I thin that collections would have been higher if the economy had been running better, and I think the economy would have been running better without the tax cuts.
Yup. There’s an error there. My bad.
Mike,
I believe it is realistic to question whether higher taxes translate into more discretionary income for households, improve personal savings, and increase domestic industrial production of goods including related employment. You may call that a “homework assignment” but I view the issues as fundamental to the discussion of taxation policy decisions, outcomes, and subsequent analysis or projection.
The issues I raised were straightforward. I asked for examples of supposedly improved economic performances related to GDP growth during the two terms of the Bush II administration had (1) tax cuts not been implemented or (2) key taxes been increased.
Your response indicates that you believe that corporate tax revenues would have been higher. Fine. As to your possible opinion now and previously that the offshore profits tax holiday provide the explanation for the vast majority of high corporate tax revenues observed during the Bush II second term, I’ve already explained that is incorrect based on the tax revenue data. I did the research and it’s just not the case. A review of the data will confirm this for you.
It’s easy for anyone to say or make the assumption that higher taxes would have resulted in better economic performance during the Bush II terms. Backing up the claim is another matter. CBO and CBPP among other organizations were unsuccessful in their efforts to paint that picture during the second Bush II term.
The examples raised in the second part of my comment focus on specific economic performances. Those who make the assumption that higher taxes would provide better overall economic performance during that period seldom if ever address any of the listed issues I raised. Higher taxes would not have magically improved the go forward performances of many areas of economic measurement listed.
I see no evidence that domestic manufacturing would have been positively affected by higher taxes. Policies driving the decline in manufacturing put in place prior to 2001 were continued and reinforced, resulting in more offshore production shifts. Increasing corporate taxation would not have positively affected that trend. Quite the opposite in fact.
I see no evidence that Household Debt Service Payments as a Percent of Disposable Personal Income would have improved with higher personal income taxes. If such evidence exists, I would like to see it.
Working down my list of examples starting with Personal Saving Rate, I have not found any evidence that higher taxes would have improved any of the trends reflected. Some might assume that higher taxes would have led to lower gasoline and diesel prices, but that assumption would rely on weaker overall domestic economic performance and would ignore growing global demand elsewhere.
The case for more tax revenue resulting from higher taxes can be made, beginning with stock equity profits. I am not questioning that. As explained, I am questioning whether higher taxes translate into more discretionary income for households and whether domestic industrial production of goods including related employment would benefit from higher taxes.
Much of the supposed tax analysis of the Bush II era economic performance fails to mention or acknowledge that the growing loss of domestic manufacturing including its multipler effects as evidenced by the closure of over 40,000 plants from 2000-2004 had much of an impact on the U.S. economy. Similarly, the growing credit debtloads of households which increased substantially beginning during the mid-1990s and grew larger during the 2000s likely had an impact on subsequent tax policy decisions as the U.S. Government attempted to extend the excess credit-based […]
Jer,
People learn. Even a great genius like Einstein worked his way slowly to his findings. It took him a long time to develop the Special Theory of Relativity. Then came the General Theory. Then he expanded the uses of the General Theory. If a guy like Einstein can’t just spring to his final conclusions once and for all, why would you assume a guy like me, even with an able co-author, could do it?
FYI… what changed is that in the book, we assumed that a big break occurred in those events described. Running numbers on GDP and taxation, it seems the big break we assumed was there isn’t. Remember what they say about “assumed” making an ass of u and me, right?
In our defense, in chapter one we did look at real gdp going back to 1929 in at least one graph.