Open thread Dec. 11, 2020 Dan Crawford | December 11, 2020 8:47 am Tags: open thread Comments (12) | Digg Facebook Twitter |
Of course trump leaving office will be great for the country, but there are others.
Like this thing.
“Tulsi Gabbard Introduces Anti-Transgender Bill After Claiming To Be LGBTQ-Friendly
The Hawaii Democrat has drafted a billto bar schools from receiving federal funds if they allow transgender girls and women to compete in women’s sports.”
I read that and thought: WTF?
Why all the hate?
I’ve got two books under my belt on transgender: Becoming Nicole (about the path one of identical twins and family traveled) and When the Opposite Sex Isn’t (a male to female manual by a (cis) trans therapist.
https://www.amazon.com/Becoming-Nicole-transgender-actor-activist-extraordinary/dp/0812995430 —- https://www.amazon.com/When-Opposite-Isnt-Male-Female-ebook/dp/B009W4FJXI
I don’t see much sense in allowing trans females (female brain/male body) to compete against females in sports. Bruce Jenner (lately Kaitlin) would have walked all over the ladies in the decathlon. If they have male bodies they should compete with male bodies.
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Female to male trans should be barred from ladies multi-bathrooms and showers. Women (and men) are locked in to how they feel towards natal males (and females) at the age of six — three to six is the sex identification period in which we are fixed gay or straight …
. . . for a reason — to support monogamy — six times as many babies — an all important evolutionary advantage — if da da gets waylaid by a woolly mammoth, ma ma is going to need help from somebody to bringing up all those babies (that’s the gay kid) …
Trans may go out in the femme mode and have everything right except the voice — the male voice is very hard to make go away — which they say “gives them away.” Gives them away means that at one clue that a trans is a natal male, everything goes right back to square one on what sex you are perceived as — INNATE BEHAVIOR.
Women cannot uncheck the “male boxes” one by one as Kaitlyn Jenner has procedures and operations and therapies. Our innate social perceptions on gender are not malleable.
Something that might help trans folks adjust (as long as it is understood there is nothing “catty” about it): Ask them if it would feel as bad if everybody else stays out when they are in multi stall bathrooms or showers when they are inside — as it genuinely makes them feel bad if they are excluded from their preferred gender multis — I suspect it wouldn’t. I’m hoping a light would go off that maybe they can live with single service rooms — when they think about this.
Moderator: is there any way under this new setup that we can pull two things together without a blank space between. For instance I could not pack the links above right next to the preceding paragraph — could not pack links together without running one into the other,
Transgender athletes who are biologically male should not compete with biological women except in sports which host fully open competitions. I played a lot of amateur squash in Ohio and many competitions were strictly skill level or age. So I played many matches against women and if some were transgender, I would not know or not even care really, nor would any of the biologically female competitors care. But the point of “women’s” athletic competition is pretty directly that biology definitely favors males in nearly all these activities at the highest level. I have heard that incredibly long running races might have parity or even female advantage, but not sprints, or even races up to marathons. None of the field events. Swimming the same. Golf the same. Tennis the same. Maybe Gabbard does not need to make this a law, but there is still something irregular about transgender women deciding to enter these competitions, since the distinction is made specifically for biological considerations and not gender identity. It really should not be thought of as some kind of rejection of the transgender athlete as they have male competitions to enter. Gender identification might be female but the individual should recognize that they are biologically men. That is the absolute point of the category “transgender” anyway, so it should not be a surprise or thought of as demeaning in any way.
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You’ll let me know when a transgender female dominates a sport. I’ll wait for it.
Meanwhile, we are talking about college sports here. This is nothing other than Gabbard showing clearly that she is, and always has been, anti LGBTQ.
Her “change of heart” in this area was simply for political reasons. Now she go back to being the way she always has been, following in her daddy’s footsteps.
just to draw some hate my way…
maybe i don’t understand the transgender argument. if you look llike a man go to the boys room whatever your “feelings” are. i can’t see any compelling moral reason to worry about your feelings if you donlt worry about the feelings of others.
similarly, or more so, if you look like a man, play the boys sports. as even my daughter pointed out years ago.. there is a real difference between men’s basketball and women’s.
i have nothing against “transgender” or “homosexual” that i know of, but i’m a little tired of turning the world upside down to protect the “feelings” of people who don’t give a damn about other people’s feelings.
it’s like starting a riot because you don’t like the way that statue of robert e lee looked at you.
seem to have deleted my comment.
lets try this… why should we turn the world upside down to protect the “feelings” of people who don’t give a damn about other people’s feelings.
like starting a riot because you don’t like the way a statue of Robert E. Lee makes you feel.
Here’s the thing. Transgender people are the sex they have chosen to be. Male to female choice results in a body being rebuilt and loading up with estrogen.
They are not male anymore, and they do not look like a male.
And that statue is a constant reminder that blacks are not equal. Cannot believe your attitude.
well, at least you can’t believe it. not the same as saying i am damned to hell for believing it myself.
i’ll try again; there are lots of things worse in life than having your feelings hurt. one of them might be provoking a fight.
I am a great believer in civil rights, especially in stopping harm to any person. i’d say save your feelings for stopping the jailing of children at the border, and don’t worry about the statues. no one else did until the same kind of politicians who stir up racial hatred … stirred up racial hatred by saying, “lo, the poor black is reminded that blacks are not yet equal” and instead of working ot fix that, should provoke a race war by demanding that statues be torn down. damn near worshipping idols if you ask me.
and since you say that Transgender identity is a matter of choice, I would hope their choice was informed by the knowledge they would run into trouble when a male-looking person demands to use the girls bathroom or participate in women’s sports.
of course i never thought much about lady reporters demanding access to the (male) players’ locker room.
all you folks who demand “equality” if you have to trample the feelings of others could profit by showing th4 same respect for other people’s feelings as you demand for yours.
there is a huge difference between actual harm and hurt feelings.
you want to stop gay bashing or cops shooting blacks, or equal pay, i’m all on your side.
you want to knock down statues or demand looks-like-a-man be able to use the ladie’s room… i run away from you as fast as i can.
but those are just my feelings.
clarification: i did not mean “if you want to…stop equal pay”… but “if you want to… demand equal pay”.
note i said “equal pay” not “equal pay for equal work.” “equal work” is a slippery concept informed more by “bargaining power” than by justice.
i take the view that ANY work that demands a person’s time is worth as much as any other work. the cleaning lady whose hour spent cleaning the lawyer’s bath room is worth the same as the hour she saves the lawyer for his highly paid work. I am willing to make allowance for the reality of “market forces” but only up to a point.