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Open thread Nov.19, 2019

Dan Crawford | November 19, 2019 6:13 am

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  • Denis Drew says:
    November 19, 2019 at 11:17 am

    “$300 billion. That’s the money needed to stop the rise in greenhouse gases and buy up to 20 years of time to fix global warming, according to United Nations climate scientists.”
    https://time.com/5709100/halt-climate-change-300-billion/

  • EMichael says:
    November 20, 2019 at 9:28 am

    I guess Sondland figured out jail was no place to be.

    “Ambassador Gordon Sondland says he kept top members of the Trump administration, including Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, in the loop about President Donald Trump’s pressure on Ukraine for investigations.

    In remarks to a House intelligence panel, Sondland tells lawmakers that it was well-established within the Trump administration that there was a quid pro quo involving Ukraine.

    He said the president’s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, openly discussed how Trump wanted Ukraine to publicly announce investigations into the 2016 U.S. presidential election and into Burisma — the Ukraine gas company on whose board Biden’s son, Hunter, sat — as a prerequisite for a coveted White House visit for Ukraine leader Volodymyr Zelenskiy.

    Sondland said he laid out the issue in detail to members of State Department, Energy, and White House staff. Recipients included Pompeo and Mick Mulvaney, the acting White House chief of staff, he said.

    Everyone understood “Trump’s desires and requirements,” Sondland says. He added: “Everyone was in the loop. It was no secret.”

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/gordon-sondland-testify-ukraine_n_5dd54771e4b010f3f1d0c3ea

    • run75441 says:
      November 20, 2019 at 10:46 am

      EM:

      While reading Atlantic, a similar article popped up. This is a third version by him. Hopefully it holds up and likely will.

  • EMichael says:
    November 20, 2019 at 11:04 am

    Run,

    He is doing a good job of trying to cover up his perjury.

    ”

    Well, in trying to make sure he does not get arrested for perjury, Sondland adds another article of impeachment as he attempts to throw trump under the bus(which is where trump should live the rest of his life).

    “Before even opening his mouth Wednesday, Gordon Sondland gave Democrats even more evidence that the White House and State Department are obstructing Congress’ impeachment inquiry.

    Sondland has repeatedly changed or added to his version of events, recalling new information that is damaging to Trump. Sondland is now suggesting that interference from the Trump administration is at least partly to blame for omissions in his earlier testimony.

    “I have not had access to all of my phone records, State Department emails, and other State Department documents,” Sondland said, per his prepared opening statement. “And I was told I could not work with my EU Staff to pull together the relevant files.”

    The White House had previously stated that it would not cooperate with the impeachment inquiry, but Sondland’s statement sheds new light on the efforts administration officials took internally to hinder witnesses who agreed to testify. “My lawyers and I have made multiple requests to the State Department and the White House for these materials. Yet, these materials were not provided to me,” Sondland said. “These documents are not classified and, in fairness, should have been made available. In the absence of these materials, my memory has not been perfect.”

    https://www.motherjones.com/impeachment/2019/11/gordon-sondlands-testimony-could-lead-to-yet-another-article-of-impeachment/

    • run75441 says:
      November 20, 2019 at 5:25 pm

      EM:

      Perhaps, Sondland took issue with what had happened to Stone, Manafort, Flynn, and Cohen? All in prison or charged or awaiting charges. Trump called Sondland “‘a really good man and great American,’ and urged him not to testify.” Spicer really looked good dancing, heh? Conway must be living a tough life with Kellyanne, and Scaramucci is following Trump everywhere on the internet. Not they all did not deserve what they got as a result of Trump or will get in the end. You shovel dung and some is bound to get on you. I think Sondland wised up and bailed on Trump. He is taking heat. Now we know why a Pence person was there. Everyone of them were in on this.

      Watching Republicans going to bat for a liar, racist, etc. is laughable. They know . . . Trump has to be a learning lesson for the public and eventually for those who voted for him.

  • EMichael says:
    November 21, 2019 at 7:35 am

    Run,

    The problem is that those who voted for him will never learn. They will never change their vote. We can only wait until enough of them die.

    This impeachment clearly shows that, particularly when compared to Clinton’s.

    “A national poll in September, one of the first taken after Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced that the House of Representatives would initiate a formal impeachment inquiry regarding the president’s dealings with Ukraine, turned up a plurality of respondents already backing Trump’s impeachment. The spread of opinion was as follows: 42 percent of Americans thought Donald Trump deserved to be impeached, 22 percent thought it was too soon to say, and 36 percent had already made up their minds that Donald Trump should not be impeached.


    An October 1998 poll conducted shortly after the House of Representatives opened a formal impeachment inquiry against Bill Clinton, unearthed by NBC News’ Steve Kornacki, showed that 60 percent of Americans did not believe Clinton deserved impeachment. And 37 percent believed he did.


    That rough third of American voters who were convinced from the start that Clinton must go and Trump must stay are the same—functionally, not literally, as many among that cohort died off and were replaced between 1998 and 2019. Every serious attempt to remove a president has had to confront this segment of the electorate’s loyalty—or fervent opposition—to the president under investigation. If Democrats have spent much of Donald Trump’s presidency acting as if they fear Americans are not on their side, it is because these are the Americans they are thinking of.
”

    https://newrepublic.com/article/155686/making-impeachment-matter-andrew-johnson-donald-trump

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