Hillary Clinton was NOT right to separate Trump from the GOP on racism, xenophobia, and sheer meanness.*
She was wrong to separate him from the GOP on fiscal and regulatory policy and on court and administrative-agency appointees. It wasn’t a package deal, or rather, it should not have been. She could have made the distinction, but she didn’t; not with specifics and not even generically on any regular basis, anyway.
Washington Post blogger Paul Waldman yesterday posted a lengthy post titled “Why Hillary Clinton was right to separate Donald Trump from the GOP” in which he makes the same mistake that Clinton herself has made since she secured the nomination in early June: conflating the five-decades-long Republican racial/xenophobic/culture-wars Southern-and-blue-collar-white strategy with economic, fiscal and regulatory policy.
For Clinton this explains her decision to highlight to the Democratic Convention delegates her embrace of so much of Bernie Sanders policy agenda by agreeing to incorporate it into the Party platform—and then never mention most of it again. And to never mention (until very recently, and then only generically and only very sporadically) that Trump’s fiscal and regulatory policy is Paul Ryan’s on steroids, that that his economic advisers are the Koch brothers’ and other Republican donors’ dream-come-true, as will be his Supreme Court and lower-bench nominees and key federal-agency heads. Trump is the far-right-libertarian billionaire’s Trojan Horse.**
Clinton won’t campaign on that, though, for fear of alienating … whom, exactly? Clinton and Waldman think it’s a package deal: you separate Trump from the GOP on everything except trade and immigration, or you separate him from the GOP on nothing. So Clinton won’t campaign on most gutsy parts of the Democratic platform and on Dem-vs.-Trump court and agency nominees, for fear of alienating … whom, exactly?
What part of the Democratic Party platform does she think moderate suburbanites would dislike, should they ever learn what the planks are? And what part of Trump’s Ryan-budget/tax-plan-on-steroids and court and agency appointees does she think moderate suburbanites support?
The part that ends the estate tax that currently applies only to multimillionaires? The Supreme Court appointments who will ensure a decades-long life for Citizens United and the death of campaign-finance reform, because they want the Kochs and the Mercers dictating policy agenda at every level of federal, state and local government? The part in which banking regulators and environmental regulators and labor-law regulators will make Reagan’s industry-capture of federal regulatory agencies look like the New Deal era?
David Brooks in recent weeks has written a few out-of-the-mouths-of-babes (i.e., surprisingly spot-on) columns, and his column published yesterday titled “The Clinton Calendar” was one of them. Brooks’s column is largely about Clinton’s disorientingly outdated campaign-finance-mechanism model, but also addresses the substantive aspects of her campaign. The two money paragraphs are:
Clintonworld is a decades-old interlocking network of donors and friends that hasn’t quite caught up to these fundamental shifts. That’s because Clintonworld, in the Hillary iteration, is often defensive, distrusting and oriented around avoiding errors. In each of her national campaigns, Clinton has run against in-touch-with-the-times men who were more charismatic and generated more passion than she did. She’s always been the duller, unfashionable foil. Her donor base and fundraising style is out of another era. Obama and Sanders tapped into the energized populist base, but Clinton has Barbra Streisand, Cher and a cast of Wall Street plutocrats. Her campaign proposals sidestep the cutting issues that have driven Trump, Sanders, Brexit and the other key movements of modern politics. Her ideas for reducing poverty are fine, but they are circa Ed Muskie: more public works jobs, housing tax credits, more money for Head Start.
Her out-of-time style costs her big with millennials. If she loses this election it will be because younger voters just don’t relate to her and flock to Gary Johnson instead. It also leads to a weird imbalance in the national debate. We have an emerging global system, with relatively open trade, immigration, multilateral institutions and ethnic diversity. The critics of that system are screaming at full roar. The champions of that system — and Hillary Clinton is naturally one — are off in another world. There is a strong case to be made for an open world order, and a huge majority coalition to be built in support of it. But she is disengaged.
The relatively-free-trade line is something that needs a nuanced explanation that addresses the specific parts of the TPP that Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren object to so strongly (rightly, in my opinion) and that Clinton came around to objecting to late in the primary season and that (I believe is a platform plank). And there’s something about the Clinton campaign that Brooks didn’t mention that fits into his general critique, something that I’ve written about here at AB often enough for it to qualify as an obsession: Clinton’s retro belief that the way to win suburbanites is to keep announcing endorsements of her by uber-Establishment types, who are basing their decision on the Trump statements that everyone in suburbia knows about, and on which they are likely to reach the very same conclusion, for the very same reasons, that Meg Whitman and the panoply of military and foreign-policy experts whose endorsement of her Clinton thinks matter so much.
They probably matter not at all, yet she’s apparently spent oodles of time pursuing them—and avoiding trumpeting (i.e., mentioning) most of the Party platform planks that would not offend most suburbanites but that would actually clarify to Millennials that, yes, there are indeed differences between the Democratic nominee and the Republican one. And that these differences matter.
But the real punchline in Brooks’s column comes at the end, and it made my heart leap. “Don’t get me wrong, he said. “I still think she’ll eke out a win. I just hope her administration is less fogyish than her campaign.”
Who knows. Maybe she’ll even get the word to Millennials! And blue-collar folks in the Rust Belt! And soon, before early voting starts. What Clinton thinks is a package deal, isn’t.
Meg Whitman’s only one vote. In California, no less.
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*Okay, this is the third iteration of the title of this post. The first read:
Hillary Clinton was right to separate Trump from the GOP on racism, xenophobia, and sheer meanness. She was wrong to separate him from the GOP on fiscal and regulatory policy and on court and administrative-agency appointees. It wasn’t a package deal. She could have made the distinction, but she didn’t.
The title was changed, not be me, to “Hillary Clinton was right to separate Trump from the GOP on racism, xenophobia, and sheer meanness,” which misrepresented most of post and certainly its point. So whoever edited that title either didn’t read the post or should never attempt to become, say, a New York Times editor of any sort.
My paragraph-long titles, much disliked, apparently, are intended to serve exactly one purpose: to communicate directly or (more likely) indirectly with the Clinton campaign. There are several economics blogs, a few of them fairly widely read, that have a titles roll of several blogs, including this one, so that readers of those blogs see the full title of each post on each of the blogs that are part of the titles roll. My hope is to make my direct or implicit suggestions to the Clinton campaign, whether about things she should be bring to the attention of the public about Trump–most importantly things she should bring to the attention of the public about the effects of a Trump administration on he very policies that so many, say, blue-collar Rust Belters care about–or things she should inform the public about planks in the Dem Party platform that actually are things they and even white-collar suburbanites–would love to see actually enacted.
Most people have no idea whatsoever how much policy in things other than culture-wars issues the Supreme Court makes–and how dramatically the 5-4 majority that ended only last winter has skewed the law to favor big business against small businesses, employees, labor unions, consumers and ordinary stock market investors. In addition to the obvious: completing the handing over of the entire legislative process at every level of government over to the very, very wealthy and to major corporations that use stocks owned by, say, pension funds to elect and reelect officials whose policymaking doesn’t exactly favor most the workers who actually own the stock.
Nor do most people know the extreme importance of federal agency heads, appointed by the president.
Trump is not self-funding his campaign. Most people think he is. He is funded by extreme rightwing billionaires in the oil and gas industry and the hedge-fund/investment-banking/private-equity industry. No one knows this. And either no one in the Clinton campaign seems to think it would matter if the public did know, or Clinton doesn’t want to tell people.
My recent posts, and their conversational titles, are primal screams to a stupefyingly inept campaign. I wish someone with a real voice who’s been a Clinton cheerleader all the way–Paul Krugman comes to mind, and surely recognizes that Clinton’s baffling, silent-Cal campaign on anything but Trump’s racist, xenophobic, misogynist and just jaw-droppingly mean utterances that everyone already knows about, is not working–would pick up this mantle. I wish he would shout it. But he’s not. No one is who matters.
I don’t matter. But I’m trying to, because time is running very, very short.
Added 9/25 at 2:20 p.m.
**One set of the two paragraphs that were inadvertently repeated in the original post has been removed. 9/25 at 2:57 pm.
Bev:
4 sentences does not a title make. 4 sentences does qualify your title to be a paragraph. How about making the first sentence a title and continue with the other three in the text of your post?
Please do.
Clinton never had the Millenials, nor the ideas to attract them. Clinton represent the ideas of the sitting establishment, which offers nothing to or for anything Millenial. She is Ms. Goldman Sachs, that’s all.
and calling other people/groups “names,” the deplorables certainly only raises Millenials’ suspicions that nothing will change with Hillary. more pay to play.
Hillary can’t sell herself well enough to get the same kind of “support” she gets from Wall St. Millenials is just one group she doesn’t connect with.
Millies aren’t Clinton’s base anyways, though I bet she out does Obama in their vote. The core of them are in the delicate 19-29 ages anyways.
Clinton’s base is white Boomers/Gen X women and that is always the way it will be.
Also, “eeking’ out a win, she already has a 6 point lead that will grow to 10 points in a month. Another useless post.
All she has is the race card!
Clinton cannot go after Trump on anything but the “deplorables”. Elsewhere she is too GOP.
On war she don’t want to go to her (McCarthyite/Bircher) idea of treason is “respecting Putin, and not wanting to nation build in Moscow”.
All she got is the racists, while she is so experienced and thoughtful to she neglects securing vital information and filing federal records.
“too Gop”-Ilsm-
What is the point of saying ridiculous things like this?
You have to realize you cannot rid yourself of your self loathing for being a part of the MIC for your entire life; you cannot gain any self esteem by attacking others who you call neocons and cater to the MIC while your entire income and benefits flow from that MIC.
You need professional help to deal with your demons. Attacking others is not helping you.
Bev,
What state are you in?
I am curious as to what ads you are seeing compared to me in AZ, as we seem to be following totally different campaigns.
Also, I would suggest not reading David Brooks, let alone quoting him. Next thing you know you’ll quote Maureen Dowd……..oh, wait…….
I watch almost no television these days–not even the local late news shows. I lost interest in it slowly but, by now, surely. I’m definitely in the wrong generation–completely addicted to the web, but could live happily without a television set. So I’m not sure what TV campaign ads run here.
But I do know this: According to polls, most people know nothing about the kinds of things Clinton should be telling them. How many people do you think have ever heard of the Mercers? How many know that Trump wants to repeal virtually all banking-regulation laws, end the estate tax, dramatically cut income taxes for the wealthy and for corporations, kill consumer and environmental protections, sell or give away vast amounts to federal lands, and delegate to the anti-regulatory right the role of nominating justices and judges, NLRB board members, SEC members, all agency heads (FDA, FCC, Labor Dept., EPA, Treasury … and on and on)?
The only way to get this across is for Clinton herself to say these things in TV interviews or the like in which the video will be replayed repeatedly on the internet. And in TV ads directed at older Rust-Belters.
I just added a lengthy addendum to this post. You should read it.
While all watching the debates just remember that a vote for Clinton is a vote for more deceit,dishonesty and corruption at the highest levels of our nations government. Remember it is the leader who sets the tone for the political culture of the enterprise. With HRC there will be more wars-less national security, more mistrust, more crime more unemployment, more wage disparity, more wealth inequality, more civil unrest, more taxation without representation, just more of the same hopelessness corruption at the highest levels without any real change. A vote for Clinton is not just throwing your vote away but you are throwing our country away. HRC has no integrity, passion, honor, trust or respect for the middle class Americans and should never become the next leader of our great country. Please think about what you are really doing (unintended consequences) when you vote. A persons character should be the most important qualifier for all Americans.as we choose to becomes our next leader.
Bill this might be a little more convincing if she were not running against Donald Trump. Can you name a single character attribute (deceit, dishonesty, corruption, tone setting) on which Trump is an advance on HRC? Is there any specific policy he has suggested that would lead you to believe we would have less war under Trump than Clinton (this is the “bomb the shit” out of ISIS and “take their oil” guy). Does Trump really outscore Hillary on trust, on wealth inequality (have you compared tax plans?), on civil unrest (stop and frisk is not the answer here)? Do you believe that anything Trump has EVER done demonstrates any of integrity or honor turst and respect for the Middle Class? Do you have a single clue about how truly clueness you appear when you implicitly contrast Trump to Clinton with this?!!!!!!!
” Please think about what you are really doing (unintended consequences) when you vote. A persons character should be the most important qualifier for all Americans.as we choose to becomes our next leader.”
Obviously you have a right to your own opinion but trust me this is not going to convince anyone except that handful of people that are truly committed to Dr. Jill Stein. And if you are in that camp that God help you.
Here’s what I’d like to know: What on earth makes you think that a vote for Trump is a vote for someone who’s honest and not corrupt? Where’ve you been in the last few months? Seriously. On Mars? In a rabbit hole?
Mr. Ryan,
“What you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”
EMichael
September 25, 2016 10:14 am
Mr. Ryan,
“What you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”
Yep, insults and condescension for everyone who doesn’t see the world the same way you do. The race is essentially tied right now after she outspent the other guy 22-to-1. I want to come back here on November 9th just to see the wailing and backlash against “the stupid voters.”
All first time commenters go to moderation. I unblocked this because it is not offensive on its face (not by AB terms anyway). But I have doubts about that 22-1 ratio and expect you to be back here on Nov 9th as promised with an honest “mea culpa”
(Just kiddin’, no I don’t)
Jeff:
The race is not essentially tied right now unless you are looking at one poll. Lets see how HRC’s sophistication matches up against Trump’s nonfactual simple talk in the debate tomorrow. The issue is whether HRC can come across to people.
Quick Google got me to Open Secret which puts fundraising at almost exactly 2.2 to 1. Which would put your number off by an order of magnitude.
Hyper your bole much?
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/
Also the quotes in EMichael’s comment should have been a mild clue that the statement, was DUH! a quote. Which I wasn’t famiiiar with but didn’t fool Mr. Google. It is an apparently famous (to people who follow popular culture) one from the movie Billy Madison:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112508/quotes
Principal: Mr. Madison, the Industrial Revolution changed the face of the modern novel forever. Discuss, citing specific examples.
[Billy clears his throat several times]
Billy Madison: Uh… Okay. The Industrial Revolution to me is just like a story I know called “The Puppy Who Lost His Way.” The world was changing, and the puppy was getting… bigger.
[Later]
Billy Madison: So, you see, the puppy was like industry. In that, they were both lost in the woods. And nobody, especially the little boy – “society” – knew where to find ’em. Except that the puppy was a dog. But the industry, my friends, that was a revolution.
[Long pause]
Billy Madison: Knibb High football rules!
[the crowd erupts into cheers]
Principal: Mr. Madison, what you have just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Billy Madison: Okay, a simple “wrong” would’ve done just fine.
Bruce Webb:
Quick Google got me to Open Secret which puts fundraising at almost exactly 2.2 to 1. Which would put your number off by an order of magnitude.
Hyper your bole much?
You really ought to work for the Clinton campaign (if you don’t already). The strawman you knocked down is a classic Clinton deflection technique.
My comment said that Clinton outspent Trump on ads by 22-to-1 and could barely keep the race even.
If it’s any consolation, my numbers were incorrect. She has outspent him by a 37-to-1 margin.
http://adage.com/article/campaign-trail/trump-clinton-johnson-tv-radio-ad-spending-totals/305883/
Sorry I meant “hyper your reading skills much”
Your 33 to 1 is for BOOKED ads from Sept 15 to election Day. In an article from Sept 16th. Which means ads that hadn’t and mostly haven’t RUN YET. Which MIGHT explain why they haven’t moved the numbers.
“In terms of booked TV and radio ad time from today through election day, Team Clinton is tracking at roughly 33 times the outlay of Team Trump.”
“To put all this another way, of the $149,912,723 millon in booked TV and radio spending through election day for these three presidential candidates, $145,299,727 is being spent by the Clinton campaign combined with pro-Clinton PACs.”
And your comment said ZERO, ZIP, ZILCH about ads. You can’t even read your own stuff:
“The race is essentially tied right now after she outspent the other guy 22-to-1” Plus you used a past tense on “outspent”. Which I took to mean spending, you know, in the past. And not forthcoming.
BTW Welcome to Angry Bear.
Donald Trump ups ad spending to $140M, expands into 3 more states
Plus it doesn’t look like the Trump campaign is QUITE as confident as you here:
“Donald Trump will spend $100 million on TV ads and $40 million on digital advertising in the final six weeks of the campaign and is expanding the scope of its advertising to include three states it now deems competitive, CBS News has learned. The $140 million investment in by far the largest so far for Trump’s campaign.”
and OOOPS
“Senior Trump advisers said the campaign has already paid for $15 million of the $100 million in new TV ad purchases and will book the remaining $85 million in the coming days. Because Trump will book the ad purchases this late in the campaign, the rates will be more costly than Hillary Clinton’s ad rates purchased much earlier in the campaign. That will mean less saturation of the Trump TV message but the investment is nevertheless much larger than Trump has put forth so far. ”
Your Triumph of the Trump is my “day late and a dollar short”
Donald Trump’s campaign is still spending way less than typical candidates
If we were talking total spending to date (as opposed to fundraising) we STILL are looking at a roughly 2:1 ratio for June through August. See bar chart in linked article.
That is for total spending through the Summer, if we are just talking August the ratio for total spending is 5:3 ($50 mil to 29.9)
“The Republican presidential nominee reported total disbursements of $29.9 million, up from $18.5 million in July, according to a Federal Election Commission report filed Tuesday. But it still fell well short of the nearly $50 million spent by his Democrat opponent Hillary Clinton’s campaign.”
while ad spending was more like 6:1
“Trump’s campaign spent only $5.3 million on placed media in August, compared with about $33 million in media buys for Clinton’s campaign. ”
(I can keep this up all day)
Emike,
All you got is ad hominem.
What makes you think I am not comfortable in my own skin? Do you think I will be one of the 22 veterans that kill themselves each day? If so what should you do?
Are you a Krugman economist.
Another democrat who talks about veterans’ issues and wants more war excused with phony morals about protecting civilians or small countries from their dictator so al Qaeda or our ruthless thugs can do them!
re” ads; Trump doesn’t need them. The media covers him for free.
Yes, exactly. I thought everyone recognized that. I guess I was wrong.
The NFL won’t cover him for free, nor will Major League Baseball or for that matter the local news if he isn’t in town. Even today the market for cable news is tiny compared to the overall viewership of ad driven TV and radio.
You go duck hunting where the birds are. And these days most of the ducks that hang around Fox or MSNBC are already packed away in the game bag. What you want is undecided ducks and leaning ducks and where you are going to find them is on Oprah and The Big Bang Theory.
In the primaries all Trump needed was 40% of the (less than) 40% of people that were self-identified Republicans. Less than that because not even all of them were paying attention. That is 16% of the electorate to deliver a crushing victory. And odd as it may seem there was actually not a single viable candidate that was more ‘centrist’ than he was on any issue important to American people.
Plus there is a much different media dynamic when the game is played out State by State or at worst region by region. Because in any given week Trump was still a novelty to voters just tuning in for the first time. And mostly his opponents were eating each other alive assuming Trump would be self-basting, self-roasting and ultimately self-immolating, shoot for a while there Trump and Cruz were acting as a tag team.
So I don’t buy the free media. Getting a crowd of 10,000 in New Hampshire and wall to wall coverage on New Hampshire media might be a great tactic if you want to win New Hampshire NEXT Tuesday. But I don’t think a rally in Iowa today is going to move people in all 7 or so key swing States 6 weeks from now. Not in the face of $149 million in booked advertising.
I have been mentally draftng a post asking a simple Poli Sci question to be considered without consideration of the current race itself. Actually two questions. One. Assuming everything else equal can a much more robust GOTV operation move relative turnout by one to two points? Two assuming everythign else eaual can a 2-1 imbalance in media advertising move relative turnout by 1-2 points. And I suspect that any Poli Sci or political professional would argue that in major Statewide or National races that big money put towards GOTV and advertising matter AT LEAST ON THE MARGIN. Trump is trying to buck simple electoral history here. And by nature polling won’t have this fully in their models, nobody has ever tried this particular strategy on this scale with this degree of importance in the outcome. I don’t think anyone would disagree that an additional 2-4 points of movement attributable to superior ground/data game and additional advertising would likely decide this thing.
Me? I am betting on it. Free media is not going to carry the day. Not when half of Trump’s past and current strategy is calling out the media as bums. At some point they will (and I argue are) getting tired of the self-flagellation game.
I couldn’t disagree more strongly–as I just made clear in a response to emichael’s similar comment.
Ilsm,
I think you have severe problems. I think you are delusional. I also think you channel Trump with your statements that are totally false, but you believe are facts.
Bev,
Virtually every single one of your issues I have seen Clinton take the position you think she should take in commercials; in speeches and in press events.
Somehow, you and I know about these issues, yet you believe no one is being informed.
I don’t get it.
I read the polls. So does Paul Krugman; read his column today.
Clinton’s phone-it-in general-election campaign has been a disaster. She was nowhere to be seen publicly for about five weeks, beginning a few days after the convention ended. Since then, she’s made an appearance here and there but has not made statements on the morning news call-in/interview shows, other than, I believe, once, has held no rallies and no public appearances at which she gives a stump speech like Sanders did, Obama did in 2008, Bill Clinton did in 1992, and Trump does, actually mentioning things of critical importance in the respective party platforms–much less saying, for all the world to hear, again and again, that Trump is funded by two rightwing billionaire investment bankers/hedge funders and two or three oil-and gas billionaires, and that his tax plan is the Republican one on steroids. Just for starters.
Yes, the press has done an abominable job in covering this campaign. But most general-election candidates blanket the country and TV news-interview shows detailing such things. Clinton’s chosen to play peek-a-boo.
Bev I also read the polls. And don’t limit myself to the top line numbers.
My read, taking everything together, is that the tightening we are seeing in the polls is the convergence of several factors. One Hillary went strategically dark in August to raise money based on traditional political wisdom that few people actually pay attention to the race before Labor Day. You may believe this was a mistake, certainly it has an effect in the polling (where positive responses are from people who have opinions) but I guess we will see. The second factor, and more important in gross numbers is that after Labor Day the major polls shift their top line reported number from “registered” to “likely”. And both historically and in this election year this has resulted in a shift of around 2 points. Largely because “likely” screens (rightly or wrongly) assume more turnout by older voters, who typically and again this year lean right and hence towards Trump. Three, and this one is more impressionistic, I see early signs that Stein and Johnson’s numbers are cratering (although Dr. Jill never had numbers high enough to make that metaphor really work) and that these votes are moving more to Trump than Hillary. From Stein because a lot of her voters seem to me motivated by an almost pathological hatred for Hillary and from Johnson because Libertarians, and particularly the Glibertarian-Bros are attracted to “lets just blow shit up and see what happens”. And love her or hate her HRC is not a blow up the establishment kind of politician.
But I add all that up and look at the polls and I see Trump with a hard ceiling of around 44 if you include third party candidates and maybe 46 without. And that won’t be enough. Something might happen tonight to make this all seem literally like yesterday’s news and there is good reason to believe that campaign 2016 starts tonight. But I just can’t agree that Hillary has TO DATE made any fatal moves. What you see as “peek-a-boo” I see as “rope-a-dope”. I mean all of NYT, WaPo, and Politico led with “Trump LIes” this weekend.
But I guess we will know in a few hours which way this is going to go. I am betting HRC has hit her low point in polls. Absent just fainting away under the heat of the camera lights. (Which no doubt the Trumpkins will be expecting).
A key point of mine, Bruce, is that had she run a normal campaign, giving a stump speech based on the Dem platform and some of her own proposals to large audiences, and gone on the Sunday interview shows to refute some of the claims like favoritism toward Clinton Foundation-connected people when she was Sec.of State, she would have the at-least-somewhat-enthusiastic support of millennials who instead now might not vote at all (including for Senate and House) or plan to vote for Johnson or Stein.
Lordy, Obama won because of the Millennial vote. There are more Millennials of voting age now than in 2008. If Clinton had their enthusiastic support, she’d be cruising. Instead, they’re not considered likely voters–because they may not vote.
And the Dems would be about to regain control of the Senate. That chance is all-but-lost now, too.
I disagree with your perception of the campaign.
She has not disappeared as you state. We had this discussion previously, you said no campaign speeches in August, I found more than 10.
Your thoughts are clear indications why liberals are the worst team mates in the world. Take a little lesson from Frank Luntz, there are many ways to say the exact same things with two different meanings.
She is not Bernie Sanders. She is not Obama, and she is not her husband.
At the same time, none of those people have been in an election with a human pr vacuum like Trump. You have certainly noticed that the general media has shown him much, much more than her. Yet somehow you take that to mean she has “disappeared”.
Combine that with your other posts on her “incompetent” campaign, and the result is you are hurting her chances for election and helping Trump. I know you do not believe that is true, but it is.
This is the type of thinking that gave us Nader, and then Bush. And I have seen this happening for a long time now.
BTW,
Ya’ think there is a chance that the vast majority of people who attend these stump speeches of the various pols are not already committed to the candidate they are seeing?
Ya’ think people go there to be convinced to vote for the candidate?
The vast, vast majority of the American voters do not have time for these things. They barely have time to vote.
Just wondering: How do you think all those people, most of whom had never heard of Bernie Sanders until the summer of 2015, decided to BECOME committed to him? They saw coverage of his STUMP SPEECH on the Internet, including on social media. And since almost all of the people who donated to his campaign and almost all of the people who voted for him had never heard of him until they saw videos of those rallies at which he gave his STUMP SPEECH. And he supplemented his stump speech with many TV interviews; he was a regular–almost every single week, on the Sunday political talk shows, for example–which MADE NEWS.
What Clinton has done, best as I can tell, is show up at some small photo op-type thing–a factory floor, a gathering of one type of voter or another, and discuss the single issue that is of particular interest to that small audience. These get almost no media attention. And they’re not STUMP SPEECHS, as I think that term is normally used.
I’ll stick to my opinion that Trump is benefitting from free publicity via news stories but I’ll also agree that GOTV is substantially helped by money and successful GOTV substantially helps on election day and before (for early voting). I can’t put a percentage on it but plenty of studies and political commentators stress turnout in predicting results. It has been well documented, for example, that younger voters tended to stay at home in the 2010 midterms resulting in a Republican congress. Then they did turn out in 2012 giving Obama a significant win but gerrymandered house districts and the luck of the scheduling on Senate seats kept the congress red. Thus turnout, whether produced through GOTV or enthusiasm (or repulsion as the case may be), is key.
Bev,
Explain to me the difference between a “STUMP SPEECH” that people watch on TV and a “STUMP SPEECH AT A FUNDRAISER” that people watch on television.
The Dem Party is as divided as I have ever seen it, and there is no question in my mind that it has been caused by Sanders and his supporters. Not because of his platform, but the way he invoked the “Goldman Sachs owns her” meme. That should never have been used.
It is perfectly fine to rail against Citizens United and to want to get money out of politics, I’m in. But Sanders opened Pandora’s Box with his negative attack and now the Dems cannot close it.
And here is the thing. You keep harping on the same thing regarding the Mercers. Look, I think they are absolute cretins, but that is beside the point.
The point is that their support(and Goldman Sachs support of Clinton earlier in her career) is totally legal. Distasteful? To me and many others of course it is.
But is is legal.
And Sanders created that negative attack on Clinton and now many of the left will never “forgive” her for it. Hey, take a look at Sanders new program, where people walked out when Sanders and Weaver decided to take money from other than single people.
One thing to want to get money out of politics, another to rant at legal money in politics. It is a waste of time, and it is affecting this election.
So I just watched bernie talking about the danger Trump poses to this country. Then I watched him say he will anything he possible can to stop Trump from becoming President.
I just cannot wrap my head around the idea that Sanders is such a mensch, while so many berniebros are such total ahs.
It is mystifying.