Open thread Feb. 23, 2016 Dan Crawford | February 23, 2016 6:32 am Tags: open thread Comments (26) | Digg Facebook Twitter |
Read the political media/blogs and look at the comments, one thing jumps out – many liberals/progressives/Democrats hate HRC. You can see that at AB. That reality creates the horrifying possibility that Trump gets elected.
Does this create a window for Bloomberg? Jonathan Alter has an interesting ‘what if’ on MBs prospects. In the lede he says that he’s not predicting this outcome, but it could happen….
Not one person in the entire world hates HRC as much as half the world hates Donald Trump.
I have a friend, a die-hard Bernie supporter, who is toying with the idea of not voting, should Hillary be the nominee. My question to her was, “Do you hate Hillary more than you hate what would happen if the GOP had the White House AND both houses of Congress, with absolutely NOTHING to even slow them down, let alone stop them?”
Jane Mayer, quoting Neera Tanden, talking about the scales falling from Obama’s eyes after the debt ceiling fight, wrote: “he finally realized they would rather kill him than save themselves.”
I truly believe the current crop of GOP politicians are so thoroughly bought by the Kochs and others to push their free-market, no taxes, no regulations agenda, that they would have no compunctions about destroying everything that qualifies us to be a civilized society, in order to keep their money and their power. I expect they (the dark lords) will be shaking their fists at any encroaching on their kingdom, even as the ocean rises up to destroy NYC, Baltimore, etc.
But what the hell? Koch Industries is in Kansas.
If you look at these polls on Trump and Clinton Favorable/Unfavorable ratings you’ll see that both campaigns are basically selling wildly unpopular products.
Bug or feature? (And no, I don’t agree with Krasting that this means Bloomberg window) It means that the general consensus that our system is broken has some validity. With data.
“Free stuff” is more than the usual ‘welfare queen’ type dog whistle, it seems.
The more I dig into the underlying, basalt level creed of the Kochs, the more I realize just how deeply they and their other richly rewarded %0.1 truly believe that anyone not like themselves is a taker, a mooch. And it naturally follows (in their fevered brains, at least), that those ‘takers’ are coming to take from them, because of course, anyone would be dying of envy to have what the Kochs, DeVoses and Bradley’s have.
One of the billionaires quoted in Dark Money said that the poor need the rich to be rich because they (the rich) support all the charities the poor rely on. Well, turns out, the poor are 40% more likely to give to charity than the rich are. There’s a new study out there somewhere that I just read and won’t try to find now. But I think many of us have always known it’s often those of most modest means with the biggest hearts open to those even less fortunate. Probably because they know how hard it is, whereas the Kochs don’t and never will.
Color me clueless.
Sandi: I was agreeing with you using the vernacular of my grandkids.
Thanks for the translation. I don’t have grand kids, so I am at a disadvantage. I can’t even keep up with my daughter’s millennials-speak. 🙂
“Not one person in the entire world hates HRC as much as half the world hates Donald Trump.”
Nay, I would suggest if HRC is the democratic nominee. We will see a land slide for Trump. Plus know of at least two on this blog will that will not vote for HRC.
“…if you close your eyes, it almost makes sense…” Quite so!
Well, just to state something that should be obvious to anyone with an IQ over double digits,
If you are a progressive and do not vote for the Dem nominee you are too stupid for words. You are not “voting your conscience”, you are too stupid for words.
This presidential election cycle this time is totally different than past presidential elections. We all saw it coming when Trump and Sanders gain unexpected momentum. The Bushs and Clintons of our time have come and gone, get over it. A non establishment non political insider is going to win the white house because big govt. and big biz cannot be trusted. You can take that to the bank as the rise of the new political revolution is well under way…
Help us out EM does it take double digit IQ to point out things online to stupid people? Is Madame Secretary’s credibility enhanced by questioning the neural complexity of people who have serious doubts about her?
Explain it to me like I’m an 8 year old. Use the short word, avoid complicated idioms.
Or just try getting some help with messy diversity of opinion. Even among people that consider themselves progressives. Maybe some group therapy or one of the new antidepressants will help. Anything’s possible.
I doubt it will help AS, but I will give it a shot.
It is not about HRC.
Poor Tony Blair is confused too http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/feb/23/tony-blair-bernie-sanders-jeremy-corbyn
“It’s very similar to the pitch of Jeremy Corbyn,” Blair said. “Free tuition fees: well, that’s great, but someone’s going to have pay for it. An end to war, but there are wars.”
Yes, Tony. Like the one you helped GWB lie your country into.
5000+ comments most rather brutal.
I do feel sorry for those who fail to see the revolution that is happening.
It an end to the Bush’s and shortly I hope the liberals follow suit with and end to the Clinton’s who are most responsible increasing blacks in jails and Wall Street speculation which almost bankrupted the country.
Yeah, you can clearly see that revolution in terms of voter turnout in the primaries.
I feel sorry for people that cannot add.
For those who have failed to understand the revolution in the politician arena that is happening.
“Black thinkers like Bernie Sanders. They’ve studied the Clintons’ true cost”
Steven W Thrasher
“I feel sorry for people that cannot add.”
I agree that Bernie is under funded; but all is not lost yet; there’s still hope of educating the ignorant of the cost to the country and its people for electing people like the Clinton’s or Bush’s.
I guess I get why you think “geez” is a useful rejoinder EM. It’s apparently because I’m stupid, can’t add etc.
Seriously, think about getting some help with this. It’s no way to go through life brother.
Not one of you people even realize what we were talking about. You immediately took it as some sort of support for HRC and/or an attack on Bernie.
And you are right, AS
Hint: People of good will can disagree. Even about important things. And often do.
And a mercy sakes back atcha
Maybe reviewing some of the dissenting opinions of the late Justice Scalia will help. afaik he often called other justices stupid. Usually when he was losing the argument.