Open thread Sept. 6, 2013 Dan Crawford | September 6, 2013 6:59 am Tags: open thread Comments (13) | Digg Facebook Twitter |
dont have to worry about a war in syria anymore:
Assad Reveals He’s a Bank CEO: Obama Ends Threats, Bails Out Syria & Grants Immunity
no, not the onion, but Bill Black..
The Oz elections are over and the party (Labor/liberals) proposing/implementing the extreme anti-carbon taxes was thrown out of office. That’s Gilliard and Rudd gone. Here is a link to the current results. http://www.abc.net.au/news/abcnews24/
Anyone doubt that public opinion has turned against the Global Warming meme. When the last hangers-on are isolated it will go away, and that is nigh.
nature bats last, CoRev…
Rjs, that’s what we skeptics have been saying for years. For the past ~15-16 years nature has told us that it over rides all of man’s hubris with a hiatus in warming, and for the past 10 years it has told us it is cooling.
Then why is it that glaciers aal over the world and the polar ice caps are melting?
Jack, the Antarctic Ice cap is growing, and is at or near the record in modern times. This year the Arctic has been the largest rebound in many years. The Arctic melt season was shortened, late in Spring and about to end early this Fall. The Arctic melt season may be shortened by ~ 1 month this year.
As for the glaciers not all glaciers are receding. They are both growing in the cooler climes, the Alps, the Himalayas, Alaska and several in parts of S. America. So it is unwise to make3 blanket statements.
Overall the shift has been to a quieter Sun, the shift to cooling in the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO), and the Atlantic Multi-decadal Oscillation (AMO) is at its warm peak and is about to shift to its cold cycle. The AMO is a large contributor to ice Arctic melt/creation.
Neven, a GW believer and Arctic Sea Ice hawk said this about 2013’s Arctic sea ice volume: ” The cold, cloudy and calm conditions of the past weeks have made themselves felt in the volume numbers as well. Where 2013 was 597 and 1139 km3 behind 2011 and 2012 respectively last month, the gap has widened back to 791 and 1597 km3. The red trend line is also clearly above that of 2010: 431 km3.
The minimum will occur somewhere this month, but there won’t be much melt until then, so this is basically it for melting season 2013, and very educative it was. If it were a movie, I’d call it The Weather Strikes Back.”
I always show this graphic to show what has happened in the past: http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/graphs/lappi/gisp-last-10000-new.png Ignore the Jo Nova sourcing. I use her graph as it easy to read. The data is from Dr Alley, a well known climatologist studying ice cores.
Record return of Arctic ice cap as it grows by 60% in a year with top scientists warning of global COOLING
The yellow bars show how much the ice melted away from BENEATH! in spite of temps this year being far below the 1980-2010 average.
Tjs, your first graph confirms what I said re: the AMO. Warm water despite being the4 coolest Summer in years. the AMO is just a coupole of years short of turning to its cool phase. Coupled with a cold PDO, diminished solar outputs, and a cooling AMO many predict several decades of cooling. We are approaching the conditions of the 60-70s that led to scientists claims for another ice age.
Your 2nd article says this: “…The record average temperature of minus 63.9 degrees Fahrenheit (minus 53.3 degrees Celsius) broke the previous record of minus 64.5F (53.6C) set in August 1996….”
Do you really think that this level of warming, -53C, is significant? Even in the Antarctic?
Please remember you are referencing a single season on a single continent, to make a point that the GLOBE’s AVERAGE temp is not this: http://woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:1997/to:2014/plot/rss/from:1997/to:2014/trend
Looking at the RSS satellite data we can begin to detecr a slight negative trend for ~16.9 years.
15 and 17 years are significant because NOAA told us that 15 or longer years durations of cooling or hiatus are not shown in any of the climate models. This may make a case to falsify the models. Dr Santer tells us that at 17 years duration the theory should be questioned.
The models represent the culmination of the science and if they are wrong, so is the science. An early draft of the about to be released IPCCAR5 Report showed all the current model implementations to be outside, higher, than the error range of current temperatures.
Daily Mail Lies! No 60% recovery in Arctic sea ice, no expectation of global cooling-
I hate it when a novice cites a SkS article, because it sometimes takes a while to see how SkS fudged the numbers. This one was easy. Notice when the data in the graph stops.
You might want to read this article: http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/09/09/nuttercelli-calls-at-60-i-raise-to-61/
In it we find: “It was 60% in August. Now it is up to 61%. Green shows ice present in 2013 which wasn’t present in 2012.” Is a 60% rises in August significant? Not really, but its fun to watch the RJSes, Cooks, and Nuccitellis spin in circles denying the data.
We’ll just wait for the AMO to shift to cool, then watch the squirming over Arctic Sea Ice, as we are seeing a huge paroxysm over the temperature hiatus.
I don’t usually send anyone to Steve Goddard’s site, but then I NEVER use SkS articles either. Although I do on occasion use the SkS graphing tool
how about this?
Rjs, do you realize you are into circular reference? SkS = Dana Nuccitelli and John Cook, and that chart in both of your cites is the same. Why ignore my question re: “Notice when the data in the graph stops. ” and what the issue actually was, Aug 2012 compared to Aug 2013.
BTW, the 97% study has been thoroughly trashed. How did they get 97% from a total of 0.3% of the actual~12,000 papers? here’s a hint of the SkS quality: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/09/03/cooks-97-consensus-disproven-by-a-new-paper-showing-major-math-errors/ (Note: the paper was “peer reviewed!)