It’s A Miracle?
Scott Lemieux linked to an article that in turn referenced a BEA report on state GDP gains with this map:
or, if you just want to see the numbers,
“Growth only slightly lower than Michigan’s” should be a great campaign slogan.*
*And that’s ignoring that the second-largest contributor to that gain is Finance and Insurance. Rick Perry probably gives Jamie Dimon a big, wet kiss every time they meet.
A better ones would be:
More jobs in Texas than any 5 blue states combined…
More jobs in the last decade in the DFW metroplex than Michigan and Ohio combined!
Why don’t you look at the last decade numbers…He’s killing Obama that’s for sure.
But I can cherry pick with the best too. Why are you guys running so scared this early?
Islam will change
And here we go:
I figured AB would be afraid of Perry!
So we are going to look at percentage change of one year, and what is the conclusion that should be drawn?
If you look at more than *one year* [cough, cough], you would find that over the past 10 years Texas ranks 6th out of the 50, behind only very small states with low base GDP’s.
“It is extraordinary that Texas makes this list because its GDP is second in the country at $1.1 trillion. That is more than the GDP of South Korea or Mexico
Indeed, Texas is dong so well, their own legislature ussie on “On the Brink” assesment.
Among the 50 States, Texas is dead last in high school graduation.
38th in payroll earnings
50th in worker’s comp
Second in birth rate
Seventh in teen birth rate
First in uninsured children
Fourth in children living in poverty
First in uninsured population
49th in low income covered by Medicaid
47th in both household net worth and retirement plan participation.
First in CO2 emissions, VOC emissions, toxic chemicals in the water, and air-born carcinogens
First in executions
45th in voting rate
• A 2009 study named Texas’ tax system as one of the ten most
regressive states in the nation.171
• A 2009 study found that Texas requires families in the bottom
20 percent of the income scale to pay more than three-and-ahalf
times as great a share of their earnings in taxes as the top
• The poor in Texas pay 12.2 percent of their income in taxes,
the fifth highest percentage in the country.173
• According to Americans for Prosperity, local government debt
in Texas is over $175 billion.174
All this – and there’s a whole lot more miraculous wonderment – from the Texas State Legislature. Yeehaaa!
Texas also ranks 1st with longest border with Mexico.
As a result you have to control for the 1.7 million illegal immigrants and children, as they are poor, unskilled, uneducated, and uninsured, before you compare them to other states without the same challenges.
Don’t forget that move people have moved to Texas than to any other state since the recession began. They have had a population explosion…I wonder what that does to their numbers….
don’t you know that the miracle is that Perry can run on “the Texas Miracle” whatever the facts.
as you can see by our own dear readers’ contributions.
whatever the facts
Don’t you think you should luck at more than one (1) year, one data point, to make an analysis or conclusion?
They have had a population explosion…I wonder what that does to their numbers….
Particularly when they are young, unemployed people fleeing the job deserts of Michigan etc.
The Libs will throw out every number where Texas ranks low, even if it is misleading. For example JzB cites TX for low “household net worth” when Texas is one of the youngest states in the nation, with one of the lowest housing prices – two factors that are highly determinant of Net Worth.
They will throw out every number, except one: Job Growth, which I thought they said was THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, and why we need another Big Union Payoff, I mean “Stimulus.”
of course Buff:
More medically uninsured taco benders and hamburger flippers getting minimum wage than anywhere else. I agree with you. Who is running scared? Texas leads the way in medically uninsured and between 2008 and 2010 had a high unemployment rate. Medicare has one of the highests costs in the Miracle state of Texas.
State something here so I have a target
i don’t think the facts on offer here support any analysis, much less a conclusion. I thought it was you Texas Mirawoklers who were concluding Perry would save our souls.
If there has been any economic growth in Michigan no one here can find it.
The only growth I can find is the growth in indicting and convicting public officials in Deeeetroit and the surrounding area.
Being half Okie, I don’t get too excited about anything in Texas — the day LBJ became president my Okie daddy said something (cleaned up) to the effect “we are all screwed.”
I thought it was you Texas Mirawoklers who were concluding Perry would save our souls.
I am not pushing Perry. I don’t know enough about him to support him yet. I do know the accomplishments of Texas are much more due to Texans than to Perry. And Perry supported Al Gore for president once, which is a red flag the size of, well, Texas.
I am only defending him against some incredibly shoddy analysis here.
I don’t remember where I heard this but Texas is at least rumored to lead the nation in the number of people on food stamps. That is especially ironic considering that for this to be the case, people with jobs almost certainly must be qualifying for federal aid while Perry is taking credit for some subsidized ‘jobs’, and of course the private sector effeciency thereof. Perhaps he was trained by Wal-Mart executives considering the federal aid that is also subsidizing some health-care costs for his workers.
I can also share that I searched Craigslist for a job in Texas for over a year, almost daily, up until about 3 months ago, and there are a good many jobs in that state which pay less than minimum wage. Many are sales jobs that require salesman to pay for their fuel and others are simular gigs driving cabs, and, assorted ‘driving’ jobs that require specific vehicles to be provided by the employees without any compensation for maintenence, and with fuel reimbursements that are always a little stingy. Texas is a tough place.
And the notion that the undocumented workers in Texas are “unskilled” is folly. Undocumented workers in Texas are doing many skilled jobs and they have just about every type of small business imaginable. They also enjoy the benefits of a black market economy and of the food banks which are typically provided by church groups. While Papa is out undermining labor values Mama and the little ones are working all of the charities. I in fact receive my mail at a food bank run by a coalition of churchs in Huntington Beach, Ca., and the last time I was there (Friday), a woman who spoke no English was getting help with her electric bill as volunteers filled a bag with groceries for her. I have a good deal of sympathy for all working people but not so much for the scabs.
My only response would simply be…
Didn’t we TRY the whole Texas Governor thing???
Do we really, REALLY want to dip into that well again?
Beyond that, My economic expertise is in healthcare, so I’ll let the macro guys have at this.
Population growth is the mother of economic growth. Population growth sets up its own virtuous circle of building and supplying new stuff for new pople which attracts more people. Just ask Michigan which has had virtually no population growth for 30 years. The drought is what is going to reverse the trend. Michigan has argueably the best supply of fresh water in the entire world.
Here is a statistical roll up that anti-Texas political hacks, leftist wingnuts, and some Democrats probably do not want to discuss.
It is easy for those inexperienced in analyzing state or corporate growth to focus on state level GDP growth without acknowledging the role that each state’s GDP performance plays in overall U.S. GDP growth. This is a major mistake that any corporate executive who has operations across state lines knows all too well. The same consideration applies to policymakers who have sufficient experience in promoting measures to improve GDP growth and taxation revenue by economic sector.
Yes, it is noteworthy that certain states achieved higher levels of GDP growth and such states should be applauded. Concurrently, it is critically important to acknowledge the share of national GDP growth that each state provides. The latter economic picture is quite different from Ken’s post as evidenced below. Texas ranks third by a wide margin. Similarly, California’s large contribution to national GDP growth must not be overlooked.
ECONOMIC RECOVERY WIDESPREAD ACROSS STATES IN 2010
Advance 2010 and Revised 2007–2009 GDP-by-State Statistics
JUNE 7, 2011
United States +2.6% +325,919 12,773,853 13,099,722
State Share of U.S. Real GDP Growth, 2009 to 2010
02. New York +14.39% +46,902 984,437 1,034,339
34. California +9.38% +30,565 1,701,283 1,731,848
17. Texas +9.15% +29,824 1,076,412 1,106,236
14. Pennsylvania +4.58% +14,939 490,996 505,935
04. Massachusetts +4.25% +13,876 328,247 342,123
08. North Carolina +3.86% […]
More Lockheed (F-35) scrap and rework going on in DFW.
Is it cleared to fly, from the IPP grounding emergency, yet?
Oil prices in the past 10 years, doubling of the war welfare system.
Why move to Tx?
Read his book.
From your first para I have to ask “why”?
Anti Tx political hacks, I lived, owned property and got out with a nice gain weeks before the 80’s oil collapse precipitated by the Saudis dropping the crude prices to get market share and revenues to buy things Reagan needed to sell from that war profiteering binge.
Been in and out of there regularly servicing their war welfare.
You could explain who your ad hominems are.
People list the populations of NY, Ca and Tx IAW 2010 census.
Might want to look at the data in terms of GDP/capita.
But that might affect your explanation of the ad hominems.
Easier to build a pipe to Texas from Lake Michigan than it is to move the corrupt practices and policies that took Michigan and the rust belt in general down.
Go take a look at some of the photo montages of Detroit. This is exactly what you get from 50 years of leftest leadership. Better yet, go watch the movies made in the late 40s and 50s. You’ll find all the main characters heading for those dynamic industrial areas, the cutting edge at the time, of Detroit, Akron, Cleveland, Flint, Buffalo, Pittsburgh. How many Stanford or Harvard grads headed out to make their fortune have any of these cities on their radar? My bet far, far fewer (if any) than in 1950.
The rust belt didn’t adapt to the changing world economy and markets and paid the price. And we are seeing this start to repeat in California.
Islam will change
Texas will get water from the great lakes, NEVER, die from thirst or better yet have a delicious drink of oil.
We are all very well aware that Texas has had a great economic boost from oil revenue over the past several years. As has already been noted the influx of new residents should also be helping the economy grow simply by there being more people in need of goods and services. You’re simply pointing to the gross result and suggesting that the story ends there.
What about the abysmal record noted by Jazz, above. In case you missed it (though you only need scroll up a short way) here is his link to the cited reference for all those shitty things that go on in Texas for all, but a scant few who sit at the top of the Texas “miracle.”
You really shouldn’t ignore information that only disagrees with your point of view and the position that you’re looking to support.
i am not sure “scabs” is the same as “illegals,” but in any case try to hang on to your solidarity…with all workers. even the scabs and illegals are victims of forces beyond their control.
when i worked as a food stamp certifier there were a few middle class citizens who knew how to game the system. i didn’t like them (but my boss did). finally i decided they weren’t costing “us” all that much, and a certain amount of inefficiency… waste, fraud, and abuse… is inherent in any human enterprise. just something you have to expect if you are going to get anything done.
you’d get a more sympathetic reading if you could skip the nasty names… and the wordy preambles
for you, the current effort is reasonably short, so I am able to say that … as my friend sammy reminds me… basing an analysis on a single data point is not likely to lead to a useful conclusion… especially when that data point is cherry picked to be misleading.
Texas is a big state, so any increase in its gdp is going to be a big share of total US GDP growth “other things being equal.”
“Just ask Michigan which has had virtually no population growth for 30 years.”
This confuses cause and effect. Favorable economic environments attract people. When students graduate, they often move to locations where they have a job offer or better employment opportunities. Blaming population loss for Michigan’s economic condition is akin to heading to the grave and blaming the hearse.
The argument against Perry is whether or not he is behind the changes, good and bad, that have taken place in Texas. Has he increased the percentage of government workers to game labor numbers in Texas, weakening his campaign rhetoric? How effective is he in getting his policies implemented? Dismissing improvements in his state by linking them with unsupported causes does not convince those of us who are still forming an opinion of the guy.
“anti-Texas political hacks, leftist wingnuts” & “It is easy for those inexperienced in analyzing”… where would blogging be without the pretentious fools and their generalized insults? One might say that it “is easy for those inexperienced” in critcal thinking skills to expose their shortcommings in print.
Most states don’t have the luxury of gouging their countrymen with the cost of oil. In that sense, Texas is more like Saudi Arabia than a miracle (unless you share the bizarre and cultish fundamentalist ideology of self-righteous buffoons like Rick Perry). Combine that with the massive welfare program that is the defense industry, and Texas looks more like America’s biggest welfare queen than a state anyone would want to emulate.
I’d like some data/information. I worked for the UT system back in the 80s. When the price of oil plunged the state freaked since so much revenue was a result of the oil industry. Recently oil went sky high. What effect did this have on recent reports of state stats? Before saying it is irrelevant, remember, not all states have oil revenue and any miracle needs to translate from state to federal. Related to this, let’s just assume that low taxes, cheap labor, tort reform, etc. created an environment that made Texas more competitive than Michigan and other depressed states. How do you translate this mode of creating a miracle to a national strategy where every state wins in a competition with each other? Or wins with a competition with third world nations? I think these questions are more relevant than whether or not there really was a Perry miracle in Texas.
Dman states: “Most states don’t have the luxury of gouging their countrymen with the cost of oil.” While ignoring it is the energy policy of the left causing this condition. Note again the #1 state. What dies it have? Energy resources. That goes for WV, PA, NY, OH, OK, AK, ND, SD, WY, NM, TX, MT, IN, TN, KY, MI, MS, LA, AL, AR, MO, KS, MT, etc, and those are the know reserves of oil and gas today. (I probably missed a couple .)
Below is a pic of the known gas shale formations. Note, we are not even talking about the oil shale and other oil reserves. And, please do not forget that ole horrible, dirty terrible, but extraordinarily useful energy source, COAL.
Leftist love to talk about the handful of successful social democratic countries, but they ignore the common thread. They are all exporters of large amounts of raw resources.
As you may remember, I have travelled a fair amount in Mexico and in most of the countries in Central America. And, as I suggested above, I have sympathies for people who come here in need of work… and I have been active in the issues regarding the poor in Latin America for more than 30 years. I, for example, was involved in the street protests in San Francisco that were an effort to inform Americans about the Iran/Contra fraud and etc. And I get the ‘victim’ concept much better than most Americans do, I have been afterall supporting myself as a dayworker of late. So, I work and vie for work right alongside these people on a regular basis, and, I have lived among them and all the rest, going back a very long time. I in fact travelled with a guy for a year once whose parents lived here illegally and they were close friends of mine. I also lived in the wilderness with 3 illegal workers who were my crew on a project which was the building of a fence on a ranch in New Mexico. The 4 of us lived in tents for several months in almost complete isolation, those 3 teens were good friends to me also, I was in my late teens at the time. Most Americans have never so much as spoken to an undocumented worker and yet it is rare to discuss this subject with an American who is not an ‘expert’.
Anyway, it took American workers a lenghthy struggle to receive a fair share of the bounty in this US of A; and it is that progress on wages that is being undermined by people who should be fighting for higher wages in their own labor markets. They are scabs, not literally of course, but in practice. And if Americans actually care about the plight of these unfortunate souls they should push for labor reform in Latin America. Allowing only a small percentage of Latin America’s downtrodden to work here does little other than putting downward pressure on the wages of the only labor markets that ‘were’ providing upward pressure.
And yes, “waste, fraud, and abuse” are a fact of life. But… my contention above refers to church charity that is essentially subsidizing undocumented workers who are then provided with an unfair advantage in regards to wages. Although in all fairness there more American citizens abusing these charities than non-citizens, but the food-bank ‘business’ is subsidizing alchhol and drug ause in a big way too and all of this needs to get out.
As Jared Bernstein notes here: http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/texas-and-the-gov%E2%80%99t-better-friends-than-you%E2%80%99d-think/ The texas miracle includes 125K new government jobs from 2007-2010. (courtesy Dr. Black)
Money quote: “Over the last few years, government jobs have been awfully consequential in Texas: 47% of all government jobs added in the US between 2007 and 2010 were added in Texas.”
Ladies and gentlemen I give you the miracle of Keynesianism!
Co Rev, so far those gas shale formations are just a gleem in some future gougers eye. I for one would love to see natural gas compete with oil as an energy source. If we had those reserves online now, I doubt that anyone would be talking about the Texas
Dman, and my point was that the Texas miracle could and should be the US miracle instead of the Canada, Russia and ME miracle.
BTW, gas shale is throughout the EU. Should get interesting if they are allowed to utilize.
I inherited a minor share in some Michigan oil wells from my mother and father. During the 80s and 90s it was pretty worthless. Now the price of oil has gone up; these days I make some nice money off of it. It’s a miracle!
islm – “You could explain who your ad hominems are.”
Are you going to pretend that there are no political hacks and leftist wingnuts in the USA, news media, think tanks, political organizations, and blogland?
The anti-Texas movement has been underway for some time. Years.
i wasn’t accusing you of bad faith. just a need for a little worker solidarity. instead of getting the federales down on the illegals and forcing them to be willing to work for sub minimum wages, get them legal status and let them help you organize for better wages.
it is really really easy to look at the mick who is willing to work for less than you… because he is fresh off a potato farm where the potatoes were all rotten… and hate him for it. that’s what the boss wants you to do.
note to my irish cousins… i used mick to avoid using any of the more current words for undesirable alien or former condition of servitude worker. we have been here before.
money isn’t everything. even if what you say about shale formations is true.. and i have my doubts.. i am not ready to let you drill in my daughters bedroom so i can have the pleasure of smelling your tailpipe while stuck in traffic on the way to work.
Nasty names? LOL. Don’t try to tell me that there are no political hacks and leftist wingnuts in the nation, news media, think tanks and blogland. They’re out there just as the rightwing people are. If you read my comment carefully, you would know that I didn’t direct my opening comment to those reading or participating on Angry Bear. Sounds like you didn’t read it very closely. Besides, you’re one to talk about name calling. You do it all the time. Your pitch is frequently about the liars. I don’t hear anyone whining about that on a routine basis, even when you’re wrong.
There need not be any double standards for name calling on this blog. A couple of participants throw out the usual claims in attacking other participants at Angry Bear. It is a game that is ok as long as a liberal, leftist, or political hack is doing it. Well, that doesn’t wash with me. Besides, I didn’t direct my opening comment to anyone on Angry Bear.
By appearances, you don’t know much about economics and data analysis of BEA tables. Just speaking frankly. Ken only touched on one element of that BEA release.
Ken pitched his GDP growth comparison of only 17 states to take a shot at Texas (#17). In doing so, he failed to show the share of GDP growth that Texas provides for national GDP growth. I showed it using the tables from the same BEA release. I don’t see any reason for others to whine. It’s factual.
It doesn’t matter if Texas is a big state or not. It could be a smaller state generating a large percentage share of GDP growth for the nation. Smaller states in the USA are, in fact, providing significant contributions to GDP growth of the nation. What matters is the economic composition of industries and natural resources in the state. The BEA tables show the examples.
That was a hell of a good answer! Wow! Way to cut right to the core of an issue….well done!
Sounds like you’re unfamiliar with the energy ouput of natural gas. It doesn’t stack up very well in combustion engines operating on gasoline or diesel. Technology improvements have been made, but they’re not there yet.
Way to be fair and balanced! Ken posts a map attempting to throw a dig at Perry using percentage change in GDP of one year and pretends that it is supposed to mean something?
Obviously, it does mean something here, because it all about pushing that political agenda wheel down the road. But here you are throwing your two cents in about Nasty Name calling.
Earth to Coberly…THATS ALL YOU DO!…talk about the Pot calling the Kettle black. Sheeeez!
Ken Houghton – main post – “*And that’s ignoring that the second-largest contributor to that gain is Finance and Insurance.”
The Finance and Insurance industry is not the second largest GDP growth contributor in Texas.
Recheck the table. It was ranked third, behind durable goods manufacturing and wholesale trade.
Oh….but I’m sure NatGas works awesome in AirPlanes 🙂 I am surprised nobody pointed out to DMan that we buy the majority of our oil overseas, and if Americans want to blame somebody for being gouged blame OPEC and the US government tax and regulation structure.
If I remember correctly its:
And I guess we should breakdown the cost of a gallon of gas…..again!
State underground storage and pump fee-$0.02/gallon
State and Local sales Tax——————-$0.08/gallon
Federal Excise Tax—————————$0.18/gallon
Distribution, Marketing and Profit———–$0.25/gallon
Refinery Cost and Refinery Profit———–$0.28/gallon
State Excise Tax—————————–$0.36/gallon
Cost of Crude Oil—————————–$2.57/gallon
Average Retail Price as of (08-15-11)——$3.74/gallon (of course these numbers very a little bit from state to state)
Someone please point out the big gouge please?
Ladies and gentlemen I give you the miracle of Keynesianism!
You don’t understand what you are blabbering.
If you look at this graph:
you will see that the period 2007-2010 followed 7 years of very high Texas employment growth over the US. Therefore the 200-2010 increase in government employment was the result, not the cause, of Texas employment growth.
In fact the growth in government employment coincides with a large drop in overall employment, which is the OPPOSITE of what Keynes would predict.
I only pretended when I wore a uniform, like the rest.
There are all sorts of wing nuts out there, and some do deserve ad hominem.
I lived in Tx for a while. Found the lack of snow and winter season to be boring. I did business there regularly for many years.
I am not overtly anti texas, but the “steers and……..” is not far from my view.
And Perry is an Aggie………………………….
“Ever hear the one about the 4 Aggies who headed home for Thanksgiving on Tuesday, and showed up at Mom’s door on Sunday evening……..”
I won’t steal Conan O’Brien’s joke, in Tx he would be accused of plagarism.
Dufus or was that Darren:
The challenge still stands
Michigan does have water and we may sell it to Texas for $10/gallon when Texas runs out of it.
you have me confused with Fox News. I never worry about being fair and balanced. And as I said about Big Liars, when I call someone stupid it’s not name calling, it is a diagnosis.
but here is a hint for you… lately poor MG has been throwing out name calling “in general” as an introduction to his comments. i usually reserve my … ahem.. diagnoses for a specific person to whom i am talking, after having put up with at least half a dozen of his comments that convince me there is no there there.
here is a little idea: suppose we burn the natural gas in big trucks so we can save the aviation fuel for… oh, say, airplanes.
as for your price breakdown.. pretty creative. amazing how it goes up and down in response to supply restrictions, either from OPEC, or from timely maintenance on refineries.
but don’t get excited. i am not one of those who worries about the price of gas. in fact, i’d like to see a five dollar a gallon tax.
You’ve made so many false statements about some of these people, it’s hard to know where to start. And, no, you’re not always right or up to date on their latest statements.
I agree that an economically large state will contribute more to national GDP than most smaller states. Physical size is not necessarily the driver. Montana is such an example.
No offense, but I don’t need advice from you on how to write posts. My post made a simple point, one that Ken skipped over.
It is probably true that on many occasions that you do not care to be balanced or fair in your remarks.
Your attacks on other people whether on Angry Bear or on others in the public arena are not always based on any facts whatsoever. Sometimes you simply make stuff up.
You royally screwed up the other day on another thread when discussing entitlement programs. All part of your occasional behavior of saying stuff that is not true. When you stray from facts, you’re frequently in trouble even when others don’t call you on it.
run – your better than regurgitating White House talking points. These claims were blown out of teh water before they even got their track shoes on. You can do better.
Islam will change
Michigan’s population loss was directly the cuase of its state government policies. When was the last time anyone opened up an auto plant in the state? Your correct, the population moves to where the economic conditions are good. And Michigan and the rust belt’s population growth (on stagnation) point out that fact in spades.
Do you know in the 50s Detroit easily outclassed LA in jobs and growth. Now what, it competes with Pasadena?
Considering your third paragraph – I assume you didn’t vote for Obama since he didn’t have ANY policies in 2008 he implemented….
BTW, when is Obama getting back from vacation so he can give a speech that no one will listen to about his strategy for more jobs?
Islam will change
wearbear, your delusional. Piping water inot the Ohio and upper Mississippi watershed from the Great Lakes would be a trivial excercise. Then let gravity take its course and Texas pipes it in from LA.
I think Dallas gets some of its water from Caddo Lake on the border already….Fort Worth pipes it in from east Texas also.
Go look at how much water from the Colorado or Rio Grande actually shows up hitting the oceans.
Islam will change
LBJ was a Democrat…
Did you know that there is only 1 natural lake in Texas? All teh rest were dug to provide water. Texas is digging more and can always pipe it in from the Mississippi. Its far cheaper than moving the last few holdouts in the rust belt down here.
Anna Lee – Only 25% of new jobs in Texas have been part of the energy sector. And that includes green-energy where Texas leads the country in wind energy. That’s right Texas is one of the green states! The economy is a lot different than the ’90s and has diversified a lot.
Islam will change
the fate of the Colorado should scare the hell out of you. all that oil CoRev is going to find by drilling in my daughter’s bedroom is not going to put water back in the aquifer.
it’s unlikely you’d know what was false and what was not, but i am willing to entertain, one at a time, allegations that something i said “about some of these people” was false.
i try to be good about admitting when i have been wrong. I am not wrong about the Big Lie. nor about the highly paid non partisan expert liars who find ways to tell the Big Lie without ever ever saying anything that is not “strictly” true. Depending of course on what the meaning of is is.
and i don’t need to be “up to date on their latest..” part of their strategy is to keep us busy “debating” their latest nonsense while they go quietly about their business of robbing the people blind.
instead of being drawn into an interminable debate, i try to point to the hand in your pocket. it’s not looking for your wallet.
please be more specific or i will suspect you of making stuff up.
your points are good except for the fact that the labor markets in the US do not have jobs for any more micks. in latin america too there is much more actual demand (needs).
but your suggestion about racism serving the ‘man’ can not be mentioned too often.
But you do need advice about how to write your posts. Your insults are far too vague and that puts the reader in a position that requires assumptions that cause episodes just like this one. Irresponsible use of the language, plain and simple.
You also make far too many unsupported claims, especially for someone who parades out statistics so frequently. For example, this: “You’ve made so many false statements about some of these people, it’s hard to know where to start. And, no, you’re not always right or up to date on their latest statements.”
What statements, which people? And then to suggest that a myriad of examples exist: “it’s hard to know where to start”, only to provide NO examples. Unsupported claims are again, irresponsible. These should should not escape the scrutiny of any high-school English teacher, and in no way will such pass muster at the professional level.
And, as support to my claim: “far too many unsupported claims” this entire paragraph:
“There need not be any double standards for name calling on this blog. A couple of participants throw out the usual claims in attacking other participants at Angry Bear. It is a game that is ok as long as a liberal, leftist, or political hack is doing it. Well, that doesn’t wash with me. Besides, I didn’t direct my opening comment to anyone on Angry Bear.”
Examples? Who? Naturally, accepted norms need no support and these are typically a matter of opinion to varying degrees, although,’water is wet’ for example, is solid, but how were we to know that you “didn’t direct [your] openning comment to anyone on Angry Bear”? You simply through out some vague asspirtions and then made an unsupported claim to defend what is obviously in need of support… otherwise, why would this conversation have taken place. Anyway, your mother may just take your word for things, but this is a forum that needs standards and you are clearly smart enough to set better examples of integrity.
thanks. sadly the way AB is “organized” and the quality of some readership will leave some people thinking you were talking to me.
i like “asspirtions” though.