Rep. Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona Reportedly Shot in Tucson
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Breaking News Alert
The New York Times
Sat, January 08, 2011 — 1:22 PM ET
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Rep. Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona Reportedly Shot in Tucson
A Democratic congresswoman from Arizona was shot along with
several others during a public event at a grocery store in
Tucson, according to news reports. The condition of
Representative Gabrielle Giffords remained unclear. The
Tucson Citizen reported that Ms. Giffords had been shot at
close range in the head.
Read More:
http://www.nytimes.com?emc=na
Reports are saying she was shot in the head at point-blank range. Predictable, but horrible. Stay tuned to document the backpedaling of the “2nd amendment remedy” blowhards.
News coming out now from various sources. NPR the only ones on the scene at the time. It seems she has passed away. Horrible.
And so it begins. I can’t help wondering what beck would feel like if someone shot his wife.
And so it begins. I can’t help wondering what beck would feel like if someone shot his wife.
Dan,
You might want to update your post. She was killed.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/09/us/politics/09giffords.html?partner=rss&emc=rss
Latest report from KOLD Global (Sat 1:58 PM) is that’s she is still alive, in surgery.
Two hour time difference, I think. My “1:58” is CST, local seems to be noon.
Very sad. Made me reflect on what Ezra Klein said just last night: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2011/01/when_opposition_to_health-care.html#comments
The content of that Wyoming legislation reads, as describved by Ezra Klein, like an act of sedition. Maybe the Justice Dept needs to get more active in regards to right wing reactionary behavior that encourages citizens to react against federal legislation. Maybe Wyoming should give up statehood and become independent. Or, better yet, an occupied territory.
The sky is falling the sky is falling. Let us take everyones guns away, pull the plug on Glen Beck and collectively punish the people of Wyoming.
cursed,
The sky fell.
Homeland Security is geared up to take the guns.
Right wing talking heads should be more careful.
Wyoming is in the same league as South Carolina. Too large to be a nut house.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40978517/ns/politics/?gt1=43001 “Sheriff: Second suspect sought in deadly Arizona shooting”
“Law enforcement officials said members of Congress reported 42 cases of threats or violence in the first three months of 2010, nearly three times the 15 cases reported during the same period a year earlier. Nearly all dealt with the health care bill, and Giffords was among the targets.
Giffords, 40, is a three-term moderate Democrat who narrowly won re-election in November against a Tea Party candidate as conservatives across the country sought to throw her from office over her support of the health care law. Her office in Tucson was vandalized in the hours after the House passed the overhaul last March as anger over the law spread across the country.”
I hope the Rebublicans and the Tea Bag knuckleheads are happy. This is not an honest dialogue coming from them.
run,
Please. Here is a summary profile of the shooter: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40980334/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/
The guy seems like a lunatic. To blame your political adversaries is a cheap shot and smacks of desperation.
Here is another: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/09/us/politics/09shooter.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&hp
I cannot see how you can pin this on the Tea Party, Repubs, Conservatives, media or anything other than he happened to live in Giffords’ district.
“The sky fell”
So a nut job kills a politician? Too bad so sad, but it is an ocupational hazard, and it’s as common as dirt. We already got big Sister wanting to perform cavity searches on air line passangers. Do you really want her to take additional steps to protect you from nut jobs? Not me.
“ it’s as common as dirt. “
Uh, no. It is not, at least not in America. Yet.
Assassination is extremely rare in the US, though threats of assassination are much more common.
Your ignorant and dishonest comment aside, cursed, additional steps *will* be taken to protect politicans from nut jobs, including nut jobs like you who think getting shot in the head is simply an occupational hazard of public office. Going forward, it will be much more difficult to talk to your elected representitive in person. I count this a genuine loss.
cursed,
With the brown shirts acting up I don’t depend on ‘big sister’.
I don’t worry about me…………..
Lunatics listen to Palin, Beck and such.
Great ya’all hide behind the excuse the lunatics you espouse are running amok!
here’s palin’s crosshairs on giffords, which palin has already scrubbed from her website:
http://www.facebook.com/notes/sarah-palin/dont-get-demoralized-get-organized-take-back-the-20/373854973434
Ten percent of our presidents ended their terms with an assassins bullet.
The US regularly sponsers regime change where foriegn leaders do provide proper supplication. We aid and abet distabilizations of regimes that do not roll over for us – This often includes targeted assasinations. How can we now have a moralistic hissyfit when one of our leaders is killed?
The history of assasination is hardly a who’s who list of conservative actors. The left has provided more then it’s share of murderous malcontents. It’s silly to go off like a loose cannon when we don’t even know the facts. Home land security and the TSA has not made us safer, and further empowering them will only make us less free.
If we do not want our leaders offed, then we should truely be the shinning city on the hill and provide a moral example for the rest for the world where by we stop assasinating foriegn leaders.
Ten percent of our presidents ended their terms with an assassins bullet.
The US regularly sponsers regime change where foriegn leaders do not provide proper supplication. We aid and abet distabilizations of regimes that do not roll over for us – This often includes targeted assasinations. How can we now have a moralistic hissyfit when one of our leaders is killed?
The history of assasination is hardly a who’s who list of conservative actors. The left has provided more then it’s share of murderous malcontents. It’s silly to go off like a loose cannon when we don’t even know the facts. Home land security and the TSA has not made us safer, and further empowering them will only make us less free.
If we do not want our leaders offed, then we should truely be the shinning city on the hill and provide a moral example for the rest for the world where by we stop assasinating foriegn leaders.
From my brief readings, Loughner seems p. schiz and likely unmedicated. Unfortunately, these people are very suggestible. It doesn’t take much to send them into an acute paranoid state. People who have severe mental disorders are estimated to be about 1/2 to 1% of the population. That’s something like 1 1/2million to 3million people. Considering the 24hr news cycle and the continuous heavy coverage of the current political conflicts in Congress, it is perfectly foreseeable that someone out there would hear the various charges and countercharges between the parties as a call to violent action.
That’s why sensible people don’t call their political opponents traitors and accuse them of attempting to destroy the country, institute a Socialist/Communist/Marxist/Nazi state, set up death panels, use FEMA to set up “re-education camps” and the like. Reasonable people also leave their semiautomatic weapons at home when attending political meetings. And, leave the crosshairs out of the conversation, while you’re at it.
The recent election shows that even relatively small numbers of people can have a profound effect on the political climate. Several shootings have already occurred as a result of the paranoia quite common in some groups. This is just the most recent event and is as much a “lone shooter” killing as the one at Ft. Hood, the man in PA who shot the cops responding to a domestic disturbance call, or the Holocaust museum murder. It’s a reminder that very smart people can be very, very angry and homicidal for reasons not even they understand. But, politics is a catalyst for many things–some good, some bad. Better everyone understand that and leave the inflammatory rhetoric at home. No point in providing a pretext for murder. NO
“Ten percent of our presidents ended their terms with an assassins bullet.”
And that’s your justification for your phony assertion that killing politicians is as common as dirt? This country has had 100s of thousands of politicans in its existance and you think that four presidential assassinations make being a politician an “occupational hazard?”
The fact that the US has supported assassinations in other countries means it’s a “hissyfit” when Americans deplore a politican who never participated in such machinations is assassinated? You are one sick puppy.
If we do not want our leaders offed, we need to stop fetishizing firearms and start de-legitimizing the violent discourse. While no party has held an historic monopoly on violent discourse, in present-day America, it is the right that has consistently used and legitimized this language: “lock and load,” “watering the tree of liberty with blood,” and, in the present instance “Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office. Shoot a fully automatic M16 with Jesse Kelly” all explicitly connect political disagreement with firearms. It needs to stop.
Shining city, yes!
The combination of “Second amendment solution” comments, freedom to buy any and every type of assault weapon, knuckle heads like Beck, O’Reilly et al espousing extreme behavior and maniac ideologies and psychopaths and psychotics listening with open ears and ready hearts leaves us all open to tragedies that were not as common in the recent past. How many times can we simply blame only one of the dependent variables, the psychos and extremists, for such horrific events before an effective corrective action is taken by our political system? Guns don’t operate on their own, but they’re too easy to get hold of by any idiotic fool with an axe to grind.
run75441 – “I hope the Rebublicans and the Tea Bag knuckleheads are happy. This is not an honest dialogue coming from them.”
So, now you’re a supposed expert on the history of Jared Lee Loughner, the 22 year old young man from Arizona, and all the blame must fall to the Republican Party and the Tea Party. Typical know-it-all nonsense.
Here are a few words from someone who supposedly knew the gunman in high school:
One former high school friend Tweeted about knowing the accused gunman:
“He was a pot head and into rock, like Hendrix, The Doors, Anti-Flag,” she wrote. “I haven’t seen him in person since 2007 in a sign language class. As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal and oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy. He had a lot of friends until he got alcohol poisoning in 2006 and dropped out of school. Mainly a loner, very philosophical.”
KTLA News
2:03 p.m. PST, January 9, 2011
http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-jared-lee-loughner-profile,0,3468158.story?page=2
Here’s Daily Kos’s bullseye on Giffords, two years ahead of Palin (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/25/1204/74882/511/541568), and another post from DK about Giffords being “dead” after voting against Nancy Pelosi (http://hillbuzz.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/screen-shot-2011-01-08-at-1-56-04-pm1.png), the latter of which Kos has evidently scrubbed from his website.
Before the government tries to disarm it’s citizenry, it should consider reducing the glorification of violence on TV, the radio, and video games.
I have no objection to reducing the glorification of violence on TV, the radio, movies, and games. Online games, especially, profit from elaborate first-person shooter games with very exciting graphics. But, you know, even J. Edgar Hoover wanted to outlaw automatic weapons. And he was no bleeding-heart liberal. Semi-automatics can be easily converted to automatic, as I’m sure every one here knows.
Problem is not my neighbors and yours who like guns and collect them. Or my frriends who hunt deer and turkey here. Good people. Problem is the number of easily transportable large calibre weapons and those available to dealers who sell on the black market here and in Mexico. I don’t suggest we collect everyone’s weapons. Stupid and impossible to do. It’s a false alternative. Maybe by backing off on the fighting words, we could do less fighting and shooting. Maybe.
MG:
I am an expert on your poison which provokes people to take action in a manner which is dangerous to themselves and those around them. What would you tell me of mental illness fool? Tell me about it and how ihe system, the prison system, handles their presence. Tell me what a level 4 prison is like idiot. Don’t be stupid and back off.
cursed:
It was the gun that shot the Rep, it was the polemics of stupid. Keep you guns including the one between your legs (as most Marines would say); but, I would encourage you to give up the polemics that incites people to violence.
J big difference between ‘Dead’ and ‘Dead to Me’. And that dKos poster took it down out of sensitivity to the family. The rush to identify this poster withtbe assassin on basis of nothing was dispicable.
run,
You don’t have any facts to back up your bogus claims regarding what led to this young man’s attack. You’re just a leftist blowhard.
This was an extremely sad tragedy and you’re trying make political hay out of it. What a phony you are.
@ MG,
You quote someone who admits “I haven’t seen him in person since 2007″ concerning Jared’s political views in 2011? I thought you prided yourself in your use of evidence and logical argument.
You don’t have any facts regarding what led to this young man’s attack. You’re just a blowhard.
I don’t think anyone is advocating disarming the citizenry. It is precisely this sort of dishonest insinuation that poisons our political discourse and legitimate differences of opinion. Placing certain regulations on what types of arms may be owned, and where they may be carried, is not the same as disarming and you know it.
run,
I would encourage you to give up the polemics that incites people to violence.
It is called “Freedom of Speech” and it applies to both sides. If you want to see polemical speech, just read this blog, nay just this thread. Or go to dKos. However, the polemics are being thrown by the LEFT. You, being on the left, obviously just don’t see it. Remove the beam from your own eye first.
Joel,
I haven’t pretended to have any facts about the individual’s motives for attempting to assassinate a sitting Member of Congress or kill and wound all of the other persons at the event.
Do you have any direct quotes to share from anyone who knew Jared Lee Loughner?
Are you even aware that Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords was a moderate Democrat who had been a “bulls eye” “target” of DAILY KOS during the 2008 elections cycle as part of kos’ personal campaign against “local shitty Democrat” candidates seeking reelection? kos had identified Congresswoman Giffords as a Blue Dog Democrat and had ” bolded members of the Blue Dogs for added emphasis ” in his June 25, 2008 post at DAILY KOS?
Are you part of the leftist nutcases who think that a registered Democrat (according to a few news reports) attempted to assassinate a sitting moderate (supposed Blue Dog) Democrat Congresswoman who had defeated a Tea Party candidate because the shooter was a Republican Party or Tea Party supporter?
joel,
I haven’t pretended to have any facts about the individual’s motives for attempting to assassinate a sitting Member of Congress or kill and wound all of the other persons at the event.
Do you have any direct quotes to share from anyone who knew Jared Lee Loughner?
Are you even aware that Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords was a moderate Democrat who had been a “bulls eye” “target” of DAILY KOS during the 2008 elections cycle as part of kos’ personal campaign against “local shitty Democrat” candidates seeking reelection? kos had identified Congresswoman Giffords as a Blue Dog Democrat and had ” bolded members of the Blue Dogs for added emphasis ” in his June 25, 2008 post at DAILY KOS?
Are you part of the leftist nutcases who think that a registered Democrat (according to a few news reports) attempted to assassinate a sitting moderate (supposed Blue Dog) Democrat Congresswoman who had defeated a Tea Party candidate because the shooter was a Republican Party or Tea Party supporter?
joel,
I haven’t pretended to have any facts about the individual’s motives for attempting to assassinate a sitting Member of Congress or kill and wound all of the other persons at the event.
Do you have any direct quotes to share from anyone who knew Jared Lee Loughner? There are other quotes available.
Are you even aware that Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords was a moderate Democrat who had been a “bulls eye” “target” of DAILY KOS during the 2008 elections cycle as part of kos’ personal campaign against “local shitty Democrat” candidates seeking reelection? kos had identified Congresswoman Giffords as a Blue Dog Democrat and had ” bolded members of the Blue Dogs for added emphasis ” in his June 25, 2008 post at DAILY KOS?
Are you part of the leftist nutcases who think that a registered Democrat (according to a few news reports) attempted to assassinate a sitting moderate (supposed Blue Dog) Democrat Congresswoman who had defeated a Tea Party candidate because the shooter was a Republican Party or Tea Party supporter?
“Do you have any direct quotes to share from anyone who knew Jared Lee Loughner? “
No. So, unlike you, I don’t substitute irrelevant ones.
“Are you even aware. . . “
Yes. Did you have a point?
“Are you part of the leftist nutcases . . . “
No. Are you part of the rightwing nutcases that think her Tea Party-supported opponent’s rally announcement reading: “Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office. Shoot a fully automatic M16 with Jesse Kelly” is not an attempt to link firearms usage with political debate?
“However, the polemics are being thrown by the LEFT. You, being on the left, obviously just don’t see it. Remove the beam from your own eye first.”
Projecting much, sammy?
Joel,
I am an Independent voter and centrist. I don’t support any leftist or rightist extreme viewpoints.
This young man was known as a leftist by some who knew him, including those who attended college with him before he was asked to withdraw or receive a mental evaluation in order to continue his college enrollment.
Apparently, you’re attempting to paint the young man as a rightwing individual and supporter. That flies in the face of what individuals who interacted with him have had to say.
joel,
I am an Independent voter and centrist. I don’t support any leftist or rightist extreme viewpoints.
This young man was known as a leftist by some who knew him, including those who attended college with him before he was asked to withdraw or receive a mental evaluation in order to continue his college enrollment.
Apparently, you’re attempting to paint the young man as a rightwing individual and supporter. That flies in the face of what individuals who interacted with him have had to say.
joel – “I don’t think anyone is advocating disarming the citizenry. It is precisely this sort of dishonest insinuation that poisons our political discourse and legitimate differences of opinion.”
Who are you trying to fool with your nonsense? There have many individuals and groups that have advocated disarming U.S. citizens. You’re apparently a poorly read or poorly informed individual.
Americans do love their guns; at least a sizable portion of them do. I don’t quite understand the fascination, but I think Lennon caught the sentiment pretty well with Happiness Is A Warm Gun. And why is it necessary to make available to the general public assault type weapons liek the 30 clip, rapid fire Gock that this new knuckle head used. What was in his head is irrelevant. His politics isn’t the issue. His maddness is only significant in relation to his being able to simply go to the near by dept store and make himself lethal in an instant. He may have been psychopathic or just plain psychotic (a small difference), but b eing able to b e any Joe or Harry of Harriet and buy lethality in an insant is nuts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBxzxVB9AZI&feature=related
Jack
Americans do love their guns; at least a sizable portion of them do. I don’t quite understand the fascination, but I think Lennon caught the sentiment pretty well with Happiness Is A Warm Gun. And why is it necessary to make available to the general public assault type weapons liek the 30 clip, rapid fire Gock that this new knuckle head used. What was in his head is irrelevant. His politics isn’t the issue. His maddness is only significant in relation to his being able to simply go to the near by dept store and make himself lethal in an instant. He may have been psychopathic or just plain psychotic (a small difference), but b eing able to b e any Joe or Harry of Harriet and buy lethality in an insant is nuts.
Lennon and his pals. Go to 1:40 for the best and most relevant part. The graphics are irrelevant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBxzxVB9AZI&feature=related
Spare me. Kos took it down because it conflicts with the narrative. The shooter was an insane, leftist pothead who had an unhealthy level of interest in Giffords before anyone in the lower 48 had ever heard of Sarah Palin or the Tea Party. I wouldn’t be surprised in the slightest if her vote against Pelosi was what sent the guy over the edge.
MG,
“There have many individuals and groups that have advocated disarming U.S. citizens.”
List please.
And will Lindsey Graham get the useless F-35B for his state before anyone talks gun control?
“All men are created equal”, no quibbling allowed.
To support non violence one must live the idea that each human is the same, and worthy of full respect no what what.
I do not see this as a guns issue, nor whether anyone that is fully aware and processing would take Palin’s sight pictures seriously.
It boils down to the philosphy that some humans are less so than others. This may be because they are gay, other ethnicity, other views, libruls, socialists or such.
When one can see another human as less than you, and that is espoused in many media, one can accept atrocious actions against them.
As a result Mc cain shed crocodile tears when he decried this incident.
While McCain insists that gays are less than human and the military needs don’t ask don’t tell reinstated he supports the possibility that all men are not created equal.
The push back from cursed is predictable. Some of what he said is cribbed right from Ross Douthat, who also predictably tried to divert attention from the rhetoric of violence the right has adopted. Why do we need to listen to people who, when faced with the killing of a not just a politician, but the indiscriminant killing of people standing near her, all but blames the victim and makes arguments against doing anything that might actually help.
“Apparently, you’re attempting to paint the young man as a rightwing individual and supporter. That flies in the face of what individuals who interacted with him have had to say.”
Wrong.
Apparently, you’re attempting to paint the young man as a leftwing individual and supporter. That flies in the face of what individuals who interacted with him have had to say: that he changed dramatically in the last couple of years.
Look, MG: There is no evidence that he is either right-wing or left-wing or that he was motivated against the actual politics of Giffords. There is abundant evidence that he is mentally ill, so attempts to link his motivation to liberalism or Democrats, as you have done, are ignorant. He lived in a fantasy world, as his YouTubes show.
Cite please.
joel,
Some people who know him have stated their opinions about his political views and his mental stability. You can pretend otherwise and act like you’re an expert on his background, but it’s not true. You’re not much different than run when it comes to spouting leftist nonsense.
You want to reverse your useless chatter and now say that his politics didn’t matter. Why did you say this previously: “the fact remains that he settled his poltical dispute with Giffords with a firearm. The language of the right–“lock and load,” “Don’t retreat–reload,” “watering the tree of liberty with blood” and holding political rallies that feature automatic weapons is a clear and obvious attempt to legitimize firearms and violence in politics. It is wrong, and it needs to stop.”
You’re a political hack. You’re doing the usual leftist routine, trying to have it both ways. No surprise. What a con job.
Is Sarah Palin directly responsible for this tragic event? Of course not. Does she and others on the right that use violent rhetoric and eliminationist rhetoric bear an indirect responsiblity for this tragedy. Absolutely. While the speech in question is unquestionably protected, what the right cannot accept is the fact that actions have consequences, directly or indirectly. There are far too many Jared Loughner’s walking around out there. Recent reports indicate that he was planning this attempted assination for the past 2 years. Was he delusional, or just sussecptable to manipulation by an inability to think rationally and without acting out through anger/agreession? Has he ever been seen my a mental health professional? I haven’t seen any reports to indicate that he was. And yet, the consensus seems to bee that he is a mentally deranged, possibly schizophrenic type personality. Things don’t always turn out to be as initially perceived.
should have been by, not my a mental health professional.
Some who have supported gun bans, part 2
“What good does it do to ban some guns. All guns should be banned” – U.S. Senator Howard Metzanbaum (D-OH)
“We must get rid of all the guns.” – Sara Brady, Phil Donahue Show, September 1994
“Banning guns is an idea whose time has come.” – U.S. Senator Joseph Biden, Associated Press, November 18, 1993
“Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe.” – U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein, Associated Press, November 18, 1993
“Until we can ban all of them, we might as well ban none.” – U.S. Senator Howard Metzenbaum, Senate Hearings, 1993
“We’re going to hammer guns on the anvil of relentless legislative strategy! We’re going to beat guns into submission!” – U.S. Senator Charles Schumer, NBC Nightly News, November 30,1993
“Mr. speaker, I still believe that the best way to control handguns is to ban them outright.” – U.S. Representative Cardiss Collins
“…I also think you should not buy a gun anywhere….” – Rosie O’Donnel
“I know it’s in the Constitution, but you know what, ENOUGH! I would like to say, and I know it will sound extreme, but that no one can have a gun in the U.S., if you have a gun, you go to jail. Only the police and military should have guns, it’s ridculous! – Rosie O’Donnel
“I honestly think, and I am not an expert on the amendments, I think the only people in this nation who should be allowed to own guns are police officers. I don’t care if you want to hunt, I don’t care if you think it’s your right. I say, “Sorry!”. It is 1999, we have had enough as a nation. You are not allowed to own a gun and if you do own a gun, I think you should go to prison.” – Rosie O’Donnel, 4/21/99
“Our cause has been aided by the deaths of all these children in all these schools, and in other settings.” – President Clinton, April 12, 2000, Rocky Mountain News.
“The American people MUST be willing to give up a degree of personal privacy in exchange for safety and security.” -Louis Freeh, Director of the FBI, 1993
“The most effective means of fighting crime in the United States is to outlaw the possession of any type of firearm by the civilian populace.” – U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno, addressing a 1991 B’nai B’rith gathering in Ft. Lauderdale
“if a bill to ban all handguns were to come to the floor, I would vote for it” – U.S. Representative Pete Stark
“….We need much stricker gun control laws, and should bar all ownership of handguns” – U.S. Representative Will Clay
“Handguns should be outlawed.” – Elliot Corbett, Secretary, National Council for a Responsible firearms policy
“My experience as a street cop suggests that most merchants should not have guns. But I feel stronger about the average person having them..most homeowners..simply have no need to own guns.” – Joseph McNamara, HCI spokesman, and former Chief of Police of San Jose, California.
” I will introduce legislation banning the sale, manufacture or possession of hand guns execpt in a few cases” – U.S. Senator John Chaffe
“Ultimately, I would like to see the manufacture and possession of handguns banned except for military and police. But that’s the endgame.” -U.S. Representative Bobby Rush, Chicago Tribune, December 5, 1999
“The only way to discourage the gun culture is to remove the guns from the hands and shoulders of people who are not in the law enforcement business.” – New Your Times, September 24, 1975
“The goal is an ultimate ban on all guns, but we also have to take a step at a time and go for limited access first.” -Joyner Sims, Florida State Health Department, deputy commissioner, […]
Some who have supported gun bans, part 2
“What good does it do to ban some guns. All guns should be banned” – U.S. Senator Howard Metzanbaum (D-OH)
“We must get rid of all the guns.” – Sara Brady, Phil Donahue Show, September 1994
“Banning guns is an idea whose time has come.” – U.S. Senator Joseph Biden, Associated Press, November 18, 1993
“Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe.” – U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein, Associated Press, November 18, 1993
“Until we can ban all of them, we might as well ban none.” – U.S. Senator Howard Metzenbaum, Senate Hearings, 1993
“We’re going to hammer guns on the anvil of relentless legislative strategy! We’re going to beat guns into submission!” – U.S. Senator Charles Schumer, NBC Nightly News, November 30,1993
“Mr. speaker, I still believe that the best way to control handguns is to ban them outright.” – U.S. Representative Cardiss Collins
“…I also think you should not buy a gun anywhere….” – Rosie O’Donnel
“I know it’s in the Constitution, but you know what, ENOUGH! I would like to say, and I know it will sound extreme, but that no one can have a gun in the U.S., if you have a gun, you go to jail. Only the police and military should have guns, it’s ridculous! – Rosie O’Donnel
“I honestly think, and I am not an expert on the amendments, I think the only people in this nation who should be allowed to own guns are police officers. I don’t care if you want to hunt, I don’t care if you think it’s your right. I say, “Sorry!”. It is 1999, we have had enough as a nation. You are not allowed to own a gun and if you do own a gun, I think you should go to prison.” – Rosie O’Donnel, 4/21/99
“Our cause has been aided by the deaths of all these children in all these schools, and in other settings.” – President Clinton, April 12, 2000, Rocky Mountain News.
“The American people MUST be willing to give up a degree of personal privacy in exchange for safety and security.” -Louis Freeh, Director of the FBI, 1993
“The most effective means of fighting crime in the United States is to outlaw the possession of any type of firearm by the civilian populace.” – U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno, addressing a 1991 B’nai B’rith gathering in Ft. Lauderdale
“if a bill to ban all handguns were to come to the floor, I would vote for it” – U.S. Representative Pete Stark
“….We need much stricker gun control laws, and should bar all ownership of handguns” – U.S. Representative Will Clay
“Handguns should be outlawed.” – Elliot Corbett, Secretary, National Council for a Responsible firearms policy
“My experience as a street cop suggests that most merchants should not have guns. But I feel stronger about the average person having them..most homeowners..simply have no need to own guns.” – Joseph McNamara, HCI spokesman, and former Chief of Police of San Jose, California.
” I will introduce legislation banning the sale, manufacture or possession of hand guns execpt in a few cases” – U.S. Senator John Chaffe
“Ultimately, I would like to see the manufacture and possession of handguns banned except for military and police. But that’s the endgame.” -U.S. Representative Bobby Rush, Chicago Tribune, December 5, 1999
“The only way to discourage the gun culture is to remove the guns from the hands and shoulders of people who are not in the law enforcement business.” – New Your Times, September 24, 1975
“The goal is an ultimate ban on all guns, but we also have to take a step at a time and go for limited access first.” -Joyner Sims, Florida State Health Department, deputy commissioner, […]
Some who have supported gun bans, part 2
“What good does it do to ban some guns. All guns should be banned” – U.S. Senator Howard Metzanbaum (D-OH)
“We must get rid of all the guns.” – Sara Brady, Phil Donahue Show, September 1994
“Banning guns is an idea whose time has come.” – U.S. Senator Joseph Biden, Associated Press, November 18, 1993
“Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe.” – U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein, Associated Press, November 18, 1993
“Until we can ban all of them, we might as well ban none.” – U.S. Senator Howard Metzenbaum, Senate Hearings, 1993
“We’re going to hammer guns on the anvil of relentless legislative strategy! We’re going to beat guns into submission!” – U.S. Senator Charles Schumer, NBC Nightly News, November 30,1993
“Mr. speaker, I still believe that the best way to control handguns is to ban them outright.” – U.S. Representative Cardiss Collins
“…I also think you should not buy a gun anywhere….” – Rosie O’Donnel
“I know it’s in the Constitution, but you know what, ENOUGH! I would like to say, and I know it will sound extreme, but that no one can have a gun in the U.S., if you have a gun, you go to jail. Only the police and military should have guns, it’s ridculous! – Rosie O’Donnel
“I honestly think, and I am not an expert on the amendments, I think the only people in this nation who should be allowed to own guns are police officers. I don’t care if you want to hunt, I don’t care if you think it’s your right. I say, “Sorry!”. It is 1999, we have had enough as a nation. You are not allowed to own a gun and if you do own a gun, I think you should go to prison.” – Rosie O’Donnel, 4/21/99
“Our cause has been aided by the deaths of all these children in all these schools, and in other settings.” – President Clinton, April 12, 2000, Rocky Mountain News.
“The American people MUST be willing to give up a degree of personal privacy in exchange for safety and security.” -Louis Freeh, Director of the FBI, 1993
“The most effective means of fighting crime in the United States is to outlaw the possession of any type of firearm by the civilian populace.” – U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno, addressing a 1991 B’nai B’rith gathering in Ft. Lauderdale
“if a bill to ban all handguns were to come to the floor, I would vote for it” – U.S. Representative Pete Stark
“….We need much stricker gun control laws, and should bar all ownership of handguns” – U.S. Representative Will Clay
“Handguns should be outlawed.” – Elliot Corbett, Secretary, National Council for a Responsible firearms policy
“My experience as a street cop suggests that most merchants should not have guns. But I feel stronger about the average person having them..most homeowners..simply have no need to own guns.” – Joseph McNamara, HCI spokesman, and former Chief of Police of San Jose, California.
” I will introduce legislation banning the sale, manufacture or possession of hand guns execpt in a few cases” – U.S. Senator John Chaffe
“Ultimately, I would like to see the manufacture and possession of handguns banned except for military and police. But that’s the endgame.” -U.S. Representative Bobby Rush, Chicago Tribune, December 5, 1999
“The only way to discourage the gun culture is to remove the guns from the hands and shoulders of people who are not in the law enforcement business.” – New Your Times, September 24, 1975
“The goal is an ultimate ban on all guns, but we also have to take a step at a time and go for limited access first.” -Joyner Sims, Florida State Health Department, deputy commissioner, […]
joel – “I don’t think anyone is advocating disarming the citizenry. It is precisely this sort of dishonest insinuation that poisons our political discourse and legitimate differences of opinion.”
Try posting information that you can back up instead of nonsense like this. Apparently, you have no general knowledge of what unfolded on this issue during the 1990s or any time thereafter.
Kharris
I don’t have a tv or a radio, and I don’t know who Ross Douthat is?
Although Wat Tyler is a hero of mine, I know how peasent revolts end. The last thing we need is an armed insurection against the state, the assasinations of that agents of the state, or any idiot throwing raw meat to a mob. At the same time I do not want to see the state girding against it’s citizens.
LOL! What a paragon of projection you are, MG!
You act like you’re an expert on my background, but it’s not true. Your’re not much different than CoRev or Sammy when it comes to spouting wingnut nonsense.
You’re a political hack. You’re doing the usual wingnut routine, trying to have it both ways. No surprise. What a con job!
LOL! What a paragon of projection you are, MG!
One or two people who knew him years ago have stated their opinions about his political views at that time. They also acknowledge that he changed.Yet you cling desperately to the tiniest molecules of suggestion that he might be a liberal in the face of the massive evidence that he held any recogizably liberal views. Your’re not much different than CoRev or Sammy when it comes to spouting wingnut nonsense.
You’re a political hack, MG. You’re doing the usual wingnut routine. No surprise. What a con job!
Ah, little MG.
As usual, you’ve attempted to carry by mass action a stupid argument you can’t support by facts. Why do you stop with the 1990s? Why not quotes from the 1950s? Or the 1890s?
I said ““I don’t think anyone is advocating disarming the citizenry.” OK, you found quotes from human beings who at one time or another advocated curtailing firearms the citizenry. Of course, the “right to bear arms” isn’t limited to handguns or even firearms, MG. Disarming the citizenry would necessarily involve confiscating handguns, rifles, knives, bows and arrows, machetes, swords, spears, crossbows, halberds, axes, nunchucks, ropes, chains, and, according to the TSA, nailclippers. Come back with some quotes of people advocating disarming the citizenry, not just people advocating gun control.
You see, little MG, two can play your silly little pseudo-pedantic games. You lose.
joel,
You’re just a little mimic bird, repeating what the person talking to says.
Obviously, you haven’t listened to or read about any of the interviews with individuals who attended college classes with the shooter.
I don’t have a political party to promote.
Keep pretending.
joel,
You don’t know enough to carry on a conversation about efforts to ban guns. And you don’t appear to know much about existing state and federal laws that apply to all sorts of weapons when charged are considered for offenses.
There are plenty of Americans including Members of Congress who are opposed to gun ownership. And that is what the conversation was primarily focused on when you made your false claim. Pretending otherwise don’t change that.
joel,
You don’t appear to know much about the restrictions on guns and other weapons, as evidenced by your ignorance on this thread. There are plenty of Americans who support banning all guns.
Joel,
Your off base. It was you initially threw the accusation relative to political affiliation. Anyone who cites the Communist Manifesto as their favorite book, has a political bent.
Loughner did that.
If you want to defend the position that no political thought had anything to do with this, your free to do so, but nobody is taking that thinking seriously.
joel,
You don’t appear to know enough to carry on a conversation about efforts to ban guns. And you don’t appear to know much about existing state and federal laws that apply to all sorts of weapons when charges are considered for offenses.
There are plenty of Americans including Members of Congress who are opposed to gun ownership. And that is what the conversation was primarily focused on when you made your false claim. Pretending otherwise doesn’t change that.
MG,
Well you look like you were right. As more information comes out we are finding that the shooter was a mentally ill leftest hippy.
The left’s insistance that this had anything to do with Palin or the R’s is look more and more pathetic as every hour goes by. This guy was from the left, but what was most true was he was mentally ill.
Reality is a bitch.
Islam will change
Americans do love their guns; at least a sizeable portion of them do. I don’t quite understand the fascination, but I think Lennon caught the sentiment pretty well with Happiness Is A Warm Gun. And why is it necessary to make available to the general public assault type weapons like the 30 clip, rapid fire Glock that this new knuckle head used. What was in his head is irrelevant. His politics isn’t the issue. His maddness is only significant in relation to his being able to simply go to the near by dept store and make himself lethal in an instant. He may have been psychopathic or just plain psychotic (a small difference), but being able to be any Joe or Harry of Harriet and buy lethality in an instance is nuts.
Lennon and his pals. Go to 1:40 for the best and most relevant part. The graphics are irrelevant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBxzxVB9AZI&feature=related
It is amazing how you guys never get sick of MG and Buff intellectual butts. MG owns this entire site with his well reasoned, well researched posts. The majority of you are total shills.