Dan Crawford | June 3, 2010 5:08 pm
What do you think? Is there any relationship? Bob Tisdale makes this finding: GISS DELETES POLAR SEA SURFACE TEMPERATURE DATA. Here:http://bobtisdale.blogspot.com/2010/05/giss-deletes-arctic-and-southern-ocean.html
There are a myriad of reasons why this is important, but let me highlight the one I thin is most so. GISS (NASA – James Hansen’s Office) calculates estreme Nothern and southern latitude temps, but those areas have no or at least few weather stations, and the satellites do not cover above 82.5 Lat. So what GISS is doing is taking warmer land stations’ data South and north of those latitudes and extrapolating/estimating their temps across very cold large areas. Furthermore, the Sea Surface Temps (SSTs) are much more stable than the land station temps. So they are estimating using very dynamic data with a much higher warming trend.
We also find that James Hansen in a preliminary press release for his latest report claims:Warmest decade on record*
Is there any realationship? Or more importantly, why is it only GISS/NASA’s claim?
Before y’all go off, yes, it is still warming.
I took another look at Sumner’s post that Mike and Spencer disagreed with a week or so ago, and dug into the World Bank data – the whole data set, not three isolated points.
Bottom line: Sumner has it wrong – wrong in general, wrong in specific, wrong in every particular.
I put up a long post covering this in detail, and would like critical commentary.
But, but, bu… no one told me that being the Prez was so hard.
“But Obama needn’t wonder why the wreck of the Deepwater Horizon will have done so much damage to his political fortunes.By raising expectations for what government can do and for campaigning irresponsibly against the failures of his predecessor, Obama made his own eventual fall all the more precipitous.
Of all the fictions that Democrats embraced during the Bush presidency, perhaps the most dangerous was that Bush was an idiot.John Kerry’s bitter joke to a college class about poor students getting “stuck in Iraq” and Obama’s famous line about being opposed to “dumb wars” reveal the view among liberal intellectuals that the country’s problems arose because Bush was a dunce.It played well to the liberal base that sees Bush as Will Ferrell’s impersonation of him: a dope who was led around by Dick Cheney and a cabal of war-mongering oil barons. And as the Iraq war bogged down, New Orleans moldered under floodwaters and the Panic of 2008 wiped out retirement accounts, the idea that it could all be blamed on Bush’s incompetence was appealing.
Agree with him or not, George W. Bush was no dummy. But assuming that he was one allowed Obama to believe the job of being president was easier than it is.Obama’s misapprehension will pay bitter dividends for his presidency for years to come.
Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Obama-pays-price-for-thinking-Bush-was-a-dunce-95435324.html#ixzz0psnEpE8J“have we ever seen similar commentary here at AB? Why do we not see similar commentary re: “O’s” performance?
Letg me add this graph below which better shows why dropping the SST data changes temp. calcs. (Green is SST anomaly trend.) See any difference?
Think dropping SST data raises the Arctic region anomaly? Since most of the warming is in the far Northern and Southern regions, think it matters for overall global calcs?
I was waiting for the two year lag effect rather than the one year lag effect.
You mean the 18 Mo lag? 🙂
From a conservative’s view, “O’s” going down in the annals of history? Worse than Carter? Dunno, but if the trend continues, definitely.
Excuse me — just visiting from another universe or timeline or something. A few dumb questions my debriefers will doubtless ask me about and I really should have dumb answers for.
1. Why wouldn’t the Sea Surface Temperature at those high latitudes in the presence of seasonal ice be very close to the freezing point of salt water 28F = -2C?
2. How can anyone meaningfully project sea surface temperatures at the surface of a damn near infinite heat sink from adjacent land temperatures that can vary wildly with season, time of day, weather, etc.?
3. Do these earthlings or whatever they call themselves actually take this stuff seriously?
(And yes, I scanned through the material. Can’t make head nor tail of it. Doesn’t make it wrong.)
Q1, Yup! Q2, Why project when we have 7,000 floating Argos buoyies measuring temps and other sea conditions from surface to 700 meters? Q3, Some project catastrophic impacts, even though they have never been shown to have occurred before with current conditions. And, yes, removing the stable anomaly data (28F) from the calculation mix can impact final numbers. How much? dunno, but thinking in terms of a .01 to .005 degree annual bias we can see that it is possible that nearly all the 100 year predicted avg. temps. increase could be from processing errors. Definitely NOT saying this is so.
i don’t know the answer to your question, but you can add to your model the fact that there are boundary effects. for example there is a real and important difference in temperature between one air mass and another even thought they are in contact. i think i understand the reason for this, but it (my understanding) is of no consequence here. the fact is that it IS. i would guess… don’t know … that when they measure surface temperatures they are measuring the temperatures of masses of water that circulate around the world in less time than it takes for their temperature to reach equillibirum with surrounding masses.
oh, sorry, forgot to say… those differences in temp between air masses cause what we call weather.
I dunno. They taught me in Geography 100A that the Artcic and Antarctic are for the most part isolated cells with very little interchange of air masses with the temperate zones.
i don’t remember geo 101, but i suspect the clue is in “very little.” kind of hard to imagine where all that wind is coming from without “some.”
It isn’t gonna happend. Maybe not all here, but most here along with the media are going down with the ship, and when we all recover from the hangover, all of sudden everybody will mysterously get amnesia.
You should know better than anybody that it is all about the agenda not principles.
it always is.