(lifted from e-mail to me and MG)
Whether there is or is not a near peak in either of these two metals (copper and gold), we
should expect to see prices inexorably climb. The reason? The enormous
appetite of China for raw materials. However we look at it, China’s
ponderous entry onto the world stage has been the most significant economic
event in the last 50 years. (Rdan here…it looks like copper prices are driven mostly by demand to date according to the charts, not lack of supply reserves)
Now the question is: How will this affect the U.S. and Europe? Certainly,
there will be a race to secure raw materials, especially those whose supply
is clearly and perhaps measurably finite. Furthermore, this race comes at a
time when the U.S. and Europe are not exactly flush with cash.
Economically, I would say that this one of the biggest stories out there.
Problems such as Greece and U.S. debt must be placed in this context.
China’s massive workforce has been deflationary in terms of the cost of
labor. On the other hand, the actual cost of resources will climb, both
because of dwindling supplies as well as the increasing cost to bring them
into the production stream.
Rdan here: I found the following in the comments from Jon and Gail the actuary especially relevant for us novices:
“One gets a much better picture of the situation by actually reading the reports put out by the USGS. From the 2010 Minerals Yearbook section on copper:
Recent assessments of copper resources indicated 550 million tons of copper remaining in identified and undiscovered resources in the United States8 and 1.3 billion tons of copper in discovered, mined, and undiscovered resources in the Andes Mountains of South America.9 A preliminary assessment indicates that global land-based resources exceed 3 billion tons. Deep-sea nodules were estimated to contain 700 million tons of copper.
Aluminum substitutes for copper in power cables, electrical equipment, automobile radiators, and cooling and refrigeration tube; titanium and steel are used in heat exchangers; optical fiber substitutes for copper in telecommunications applications; and plastics substitute for copper in water pipe, drain pipe, and plumbing fixtures.
Peak production and peak demand will be determined ultimately by peak price.”
” It seems to me we have a lot of different things going on with copper:
1. Extraction is very energy dependent, so cost of extraction tends to vary with the price of oil.
2. Ores are getting to be of lower and lower quality.
3. Techniques for extraction are getting better over time, using less energy (one of the true forms of energy efficiency.)
4. Other metals can be substituted for copper, if the price gets high enough.
5. Economies around the world have been growing, generally pushing up the demand for metals.
6. Financial issues affect demand. The easier it is to get credit, the more building will be done, and the more copper will be needed. (This is true for other metals as well.) Peak credit will likely determine peak demand. (Or perhaps the limit will be determined by net energy available for uses such as mining.)
It seems to me that most of what we are seeing can be explained by these factors.
What we see in the world production graph is continuous growth in copper use, as world economies grow. It may be that one area of the world grows faster than another, as one area reaches lower ore concentration, or has lower labor costs. I would expect costs and production to vary with the six things listed above.
It seems to me too, that the when the peak occurs and the shape of the downside of the curve, is likely to be defined by the above factors…”
(Rdan and re-cycling efforts over the globe….). Anyway, a neglected part of the puzzle at AB to consider.
Update: Barkley Rosser wrote a good piece on China here