Yes, she changed her vote
“You will not find that I ever changed a view or a vote because of any donation that I ever received.”
If you have not seen it, there is a youtube cut of a Bill Moyers show in which Senator Warren explains just how dramatically Hillary Clinton changed her vote. It is dramatic, as Mrs. Clinton’s initial position actually resulted in her husband vetoing the bill in 2000. But, once she became a New York senator….
Clinton has to know we live in the digital age? Did she really think that she was safe with such a statement? As Samantha Bee noted regarding the repubs failing a presidential test of walking to the podium…Clinton fails too. And yet again shows that her campaign style is totally out of the repubs play book.
She opposed the bill when it changed the law and took away priority of alimony and child support payments over credit card debt and the like held by bank credit. She later favored a different version of the bill that re-stated priority to alimony and child support payments. Later, she expressed opposition to a new version of the bill which once again eliminated that protection.
That’s her campaign’s explanation, anyway, and it sounds perfectly legitimate. You have an obligation before making a charge to find out what her explanation is. If you can establish that the explanation is false or misleading, fine, but until then the explanation should stand and a post like this should not be entered.
We are willing to give Bernie a break when he made votes that pandered to the hunting culture of his state. Even if we could argue some inconsistency between her First Lady position and her Senate voting on financial issues, why would she not be given some leeway to consider the interests of the largest industry in the state she represented?
She only missed the no vote because Bill was in the hospital and she was with him.
“because of any donation”
you must know this is a defense that can hide a mountain
Urban, sure Hillary gave Bernie a brake on gun control. More shill BS; Hillary brought up the fact Bernie had opposed the Brady Bill in a TV debate. Not all democrats are against peoples right to own guns or carry their own protection.
The truth about Hillary Clinton can be seen in the following vid in her own words.
Greg Sargent at the Plum Line argues that the Warren piece is “outdated.” He, (Sargent) argues that Warren can clear up the issue, but she won’t. See his twitter feed on this issue, and the piece here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/02/09/hillary-clinton-wall-street-shill-here-are-a-few-facts/
I don’t see any upside to Warren getting involved at this point. Unless she is going to come out and support Sanders’, it is smart, politically, to stay out of the conversation.
As noted in the vid of Warren vs Hillary, this bill was to make bankrupt filling almost impossible, and it was for the benefit credit card companies and detriment of citizens.
Dan you’ve barely touched the icing on this cake. The obvious gotcha for madame secretary yes, it’s there for all to see.
But now that she has underperformed in NH ( accounts yesterday indicate that DNC poobahs were reassured the race was tightening going into Tuesdays polling ) and Sanders is outperforming expectations (He raised more money than her in January and hauled in over 5M in 18 hours yesterday ) things are getting hella ugly out there.
The red-baiting and “are you now or have you ever been…” type attacks are going to be fever pitch this time next week.
In many ways she shares her fate with Jeb! Like him she’s a lousy campaigner so wanted to avoid doing much of it. The failures of this cycle are so familiar to those of us who watched her blow it against a one term senator in 2008 named Barrack Hussein Obama. Now she’s been put on her heels by a septuagenarian Jewish Socialist from Brooklyn from the People’s Republic of Vermont.
As Billmon pointed out in twitter, these are not accomplishments one wants on one’s campaign resume. Especially when one is so dependent on Big Money contributors who expect you know, victories. Easy ones.
As Bernie alluded to on Tuesday the kitchen sink is probably incoming…
In Warren’s book she explains how Hill talked Bill into vetoing the law (as a lame duck who had no political chips to save) because among other things it forbade CC companies to use household income as a measure of credit worthiness — limiting to personal income instead: making it impossible for (mostly) female homemakers to get cards on their own …
… as well as other pernicious impositions like making bankruptcy much more difficult.
Comes a few hundred thousand from companies to now Senator Hillary, she switches sides.
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Bernie is about 75% black on the inside politically like me — very militant but not that alienated. Hill and Bill and Obama are about 25% black on the inside — they understand something (a lot of things) is very wrong but they can live with it. Michelle is south side Chicago black — I’m guessing she is about 125% black on the inside politically. 🙂
HRC’s wafflinbg over Iraq is pure legalese to fluster the peeps.
Doubling down for doing Iran like Iraq for Bibi is not smart. Makes her more blood thirsty than Cruz.
Hillary Clinton was a sponsor of the Employee Free Choice Act. That’s “card check,” which denies management the right to demand an election (and threaten and fire people before the election) when a majority of workers in a potential bargaining unit sign a card showing their desire to form a union. She still expressly supports it, along with an intention to raise the Federal minimum wage by 66% and continue Obama’s executive action to reform overtime rules.
If ever there were things that proved she’s a tool of Wall Street and the corporations, these are the ones! They really, really love changing the law to make it easier for workers to unionize.
Wall Street especially loves her position that Citizens United should be overturned by a Constitutional Amendment. They love her proposals to impose a tax on high frequency trading, impose tougher regulations on the “shadow banking” sector — you know, like Goldman Sachs, who obviously has her in its hip pocket — prosecute Wall Street individuals who break the law criminally, but also go after their ill-gotten bonuses, and end the hedge fund loophole in the Volcker Rule. Hedge Fund managers positively drool over her proposal to end their “carried interest” loophole that lets them pay capital gains rates on all their income, and wealthy people are equally enamored of her support for the “Buffet Rule” on a minimum tax rate for the very wealthy and proposal to close a lot of loopholes that favor them as well.
All these proposals just prove how easily she can be bought by campaign contributions and payments for speeches!
If you are going to say or imply that Clinton is too close to Wall Street — a meme, by the way, that is so close to the Karl Rove playbook (where you are vulnerable, charge your opponent with being even worse) as to serve as evidence that the charge has originated by Republicans, including some who may be pretending to be Bernie supporters — then you have the obligation to disclose positions like this she has taken that are directly contrary to the interests of Wall Street and directly refute the charge. And heaven forbid that in re-gurgitating the meme — one that, by the way, could have been lodged against Teddy Roosevelt, FDR, and Woodrow Wilson, all of whom took tough stances contrary to the wishes of banks and big business — you are actually serving as a tool for Fox News.
Things are not as they seem and neither is the lead in the polls.
Um. Okay. I’ll bite. Speaking as a tool of Fox News can you explain:
1> Madame Secretary’s refusal to provide details on what she said at those hourly rates?
2> Why those details aren’t important?
“Total concern troll advice to HRC fans trying to counter Wall Street $ issue: Find something else to work with. You can’t win this one.” -Billmon tweet https://twitter.com/billmon1/status/697852523143700480
“then you have the obligation to disclose positions like this she has taken that are directly contrary to the interests of Wall Street and directly refute the charge. And heaven forbid that in re-gurgitating the meme — one that, by the way, could have been lodged against Teddy Roosevelt, FDR, and Woodrow Wilson, all of whom took tough stances contrary to the wishes of banks and big business” urban legend
Woodrow Wilson, gave us the Federal Reserve and later said he fear what this action had done to the country….Wilson was JP Morgan’s man. Which is not Like TR or FDR who imposed regulation on the banks and corporations which produced growth and protections for the next 30 plus years.
Tonight in the democratic debate Bernie finally brought up trade deals with no response from Hillary. Later trade was discussed about China, again Hillary had no rebuttal about the lost of good jobs to China.
I would suggest Hillary much like Wilson is a tool of Wall Street; plus we know from her history she will say anything that she feels will help her at the moment.
People I need to apologize for a personal issue I have with the Federal Reserve system and dismissing all the good things that Wilson accomplished which some are listed below from wiki.
In office, Wilson reintroduced the spoken State of the Union, which had been out of use since 1801. Leading the Congress, now in Democratic hands, he oversaw the passage of progressive legislative policies unparalleled until the New Deal in 1933.[1] Included among these were the Federal Reserve Act, Federal Trade Commission Act, the Clayton Antitrust Act, and the Federal Farm Loan Act. Having taken office one month after ratification of the Sixteenth Amendment, Wilson called a special session of Congress, whose work culminated in the Revenue Act of 1913, reintroducing an income tax and lowering tariffs. Through passage of the Adamson Act, imposing an 8-hour workday for railroads, he averted a railroad strike and an ensuing economic crisis.[2] Upon the outbreak of World War I in 1914, Wilson maintained a policy of neutrality, while pursuing a more aggressive policy in dealing with Mexico’s civil war.