I assume the topic has something to do with freedom of speech and religion. Another might be how a man with a church of 50 people gets international coverage. Another might be symbols and how people focus their feelings into symbolic action. Another is I don’t mind if my boys play basketball with Mehdi, whose parents were Iranian and whose grandparents are Iranian.
Lots of buttons to push, show your colors I guess.
looks like you are a member of the church with no sense of humor.
Expound, please. What a illy reply. Did I read your comment wrong ?
This is a problem in our Rupert Murdoch infested, (GW Bush society brought to us by Michael Powell). We are afraid of the apparatus put in place by the Gnewt Gingrich republicans during their long reign (1994-2008) of the House and the Senate. Almost interfered with the Clinton Wal-mart agenda. Obviuosly, not quite.
Speak. speak aloud. When the march comes by your place, get up and march. Buy only those goods produced in America.
I think we all get your point. Some of us even agree with the underlying sensibilities. But the tedious, shrill way you express yourself is not “wit,” it is trolling.
In some ways, you are little more than a mirror image of CoRev. Your cliches may have a factual basis, but they are cliches. Get some new material.
exactly right. though it doesn’t let the coal burners off the hook (or the gazmobiles).
things are so bad i can’t build a tractor shed without asking for permission from the legislature, for a small fee. i’m thinking of going to a tea party soon.
“The background is in recognition od the fact that the first european settlers came to America to escape religious persecution for their faith.”
They did? That might come as a surprise to the Europeans who first settled St. Augustine, Fla (1565), Santa Fe, NM (1608) and even Jamestown (1607). Plus the Puritans who established Massachusetts had a charter from the King of England and immediately on arrival set up an Established Church and started persecuting dissenters, not to mention burning witches. Sandi this might come as a shock but the actual history of the settlement of the America’s doesn’t have much to do with that 4th Grade Thanksgiving Pageant we all went through. In particular freedom of or from religion didn’t much exist outside of maybe Pennsylvania (mostly marked by being settled by a bunch of different sorta intolerant sects). In particular the Puritans mostly came to Mass from Holland after self-exiling themselves from England, they were not exactly on the run from some British equivalent of the Spanish Inquisition.
Hmm, I don’t recall too many people calling Rudy Giuliani an idolator when he tried to shut down art exhibits that offended his religious beliefs. Plus it is a little odd that so many of the reichnuts who are all over freedom of speech when it comes to burning Korans fall right in line for Constitutional amendments to ban flag burning. And I suspect Abe Foxman would have a stroke at the idea of me buying up a three hundred year old Torah and torching it in the diamond district of Manhattan.
Hell I am a confirmed atheist and it is difficult for me to use lower cases when spelling jesus, god and even the bible. When I grew up those words were spelled Jesus, God, and the Bible. Period. And don’t even get me started on Y*h W*h, heck I had a jewish housemate that sent us a postcard referencing G*d. And the fact that Bibles were literally free for the taking in every hotel room in the country didn’t enter into that particular equation. I don’t think “It is just a book” really works here.
Nancy, Stop encouraging Noni with your reasonable analysis of our modern culture. As I noted to Noni, this thread is a bout religion and politics. Your level headed contribution to the conversation is interfering with the entertainment value of the discussion. Please try to limit your contributions to either ribal blasphemy, a nice change of pace, or you might try a little outright and outrageous religious bigotry. You want to fit into the conversation rather than simply point out and complain of the idiocy to which the educated and semi literate can come to a meeting of the mind(less).
Gee, Jack. I thought I was bein’, ya know, suitably meta, and like, arguably intellectually respectable. I’ll try harder next time. Gotta go out and get some troll repellant, though. See ya down at Les Deux Magots, if you got the time. NancyO
Nancy, That’s exactly the problem. Discussions about religion at the cross road with politics have no room for “arguably intellectually respectable” ideas. It’s religion and political ideology for cryin’ out loud. When was the last time you heard either a religious or political heavy weight add an intellectually honest idea to any discussion. Keep in mind that both M. L. King and Malcom X have been dead for years. And how far back do we have to go for a political idea with any validity?
what I have said, in no particular forum, is that fundamentalists are idolators because they worship “the written word”. it’s not the physcical book, but the words they think are the literal words of god.
at the risk of sounding self contradictory, it seems to me that Jesus himself warned against such literal interpretations (he spoke always in parables.. lest the wicked hear, and hearing turn and i should save them.)
Personally, I would have liked the pastor to burn those pages of the Koran he found particularly offensive, sort of like the Jefferson Bible. Then, we could have discovered if infidels are suppopsed to be killed. I find it particularly offensive that I will go to hell, since I believe Jesus was only a tremendous teacher. But, hell I can handle better than being killed for my beliefs, or lack thereof. In my opinion, I have traded eternity for sanity (although some of you “non believers” question my sanity).
I attend a Unitarian Universalist Church, and the largest attendance we ever had was when we discussed the Jefferson Bible. For those of you who are unaware of this literature, Thomas Jefferson took out those parts of Scripture he found particularly offensive.
The way I deal with religion, personally, is to think about the white spaces in between the black letters. That’s what we do at my second religion, Judaism, at our Chabad. Chabad is an orthodox part of Judaism, which concentrates on both the oral and written Torahs. And, you guys thought there was only one Torah! Too bad we can’t do that for the Christian Scriptures, etc. That’s why Unitarian Universalism provides the balance I need from the limitations of Chabad. Don Levit
Great let’s do it! The problem is the Christians are used to having their religon pissed on, and will take it with a grain of salt, while the other will kill people!
I assume the topic has something to do with freedom of speech and religion. Another might be how a man with a church of 50 people gets international coverage. Another might be symbols and how people focus their feelings into symbolic action. Another is I don’t mind if my boys play basketball with Mehdi, whose parents were Iranian and whose grandparents are Iranian.
Lots of buttons to push, show your colors I guess.
And, you folks say the tea party movement is (fill in your own term here.) You are sick!
Well Sandi
looks like you are a member of the church with no sense of humor.
Well Sandi
looks like you are a member of the church with no sense of humor.
Expound, please. What a illy reply. Did I read your comment wrong ?
This is a problem in our Rupert Murdoch infested, (GW Bush society brought to us by Michael Powell). We are afraid of the apparatus put in place by the Gnewt Gingrich republicans during their long reign (1994-2008) of the House and the Senate. Almost interfered with the Clinton Wal-mart agenda. Obviuosly, not quite.
Speak. speak aloud. When the march comes by your place, get up and march. Buy only those goods produced in America.
Sandi,
I think we all get your point. Some of us even agree with the underlying sensibilities. But the tedious, shrill way you express yourself is not “wit,” it is trolling.
In some ways, you are little more than a mirror image of CoRev. Your cliches may have a factual basis, but they are cliches. Get some new material.
CoRev
exactly right. though it doesn’t let the coal burners off the hook (or the gazmobiles).
things are so bad i can’t build a tractor shed without asking for permission from the legislature, for a small fee. i’m thinking of going to a tea party soon.
“The background is in recognition od the fact that the first european settlers came to America to escape religious persecution for their faith.”
They did? That might come as a surprise to the Europeans who first settled St. Augustine, Fla (1565), Santa Fe, NM (1608) and even Jamestown (1607). Plus the Puritans who established Massachusetts had a charter from the King of England and immediately on arrival set up an Established Church and started persecuting dissenters, not to mention burning witches. Sandi this might come as a shock but the actual history of the settlement of the America’s doesn’t have much to do with that 4th Grade Thanksgiving Pageant we all went through. In particular freedom of or from religion didn’t much exist outside of maybe Pennsylvania (mostly marked by being settled by a bunch of different sorta intolerant sects). In particular the Puritans mostly came to Mass from Holland after self-exiling themselves from England, they were not exactly on the run from some British equivalent of the Spanish Inquisition.
Hmm, I don’t recall too many people calling Rudy Giuliani an idolator when he tried to shut down art exhibits that offended his religious beliefs. Plus it is a little odd that so many of the reichnuts who are all over freedom of speech when it comes to burning Korans fall right in line for Constitutional amendments to ban flag burning. And I suspect Abe Foxman would have a stroke at the idea of me buying up a three hundred year old Torah and torching it in the diamond district of Manhattan.
Hell I am a confirmed atheist and it is difficult for me to use lower cases when spelling jesus, god and even the bible. When I grew up those words were spelled Jesus, God, and the Bible. Period. And don’t even get me started on Y*h W*h, heck I had a jewish housemate that sent us a postcard referencing G*d. And the fact that Bibles were literally free for the taking in every hotel room in the country didn’t enter into that particular equation. I don’t think “It is just a book” really works here.
And the option to disagree meant you had to move and start your own town.
Nancy,
Stop encouraging Noni with your reasonable analysis of our modern culture. As I noted to Noni, this thread is a bout religion and politics. Your level headed contribution to the conversation is interfering with the entertainment value of the discussion. Please try to limit your contributions to either ribal blasphemy, a nice change of pace, or you might try a little outright and outrageous religious bigotry. You want to fit into the conversation rather than simply point out and complain of the idiocy to which the educated and semi literate can come to a meeting of the mind(less).
Gee, Jack. I thought I was bein’, ya know, suitably meta, and like, arguably intellectually respectable. I’ll try harder next time. Gotta go out and get some troll repellant, though. See ya down at Les Deux Magots, if you got the time. NancyO
Nancy,
That’s exactly the problem. Discussions about religion at the cross road with politics have no room for “arguably intellectually respectable” ideas. It’s religion and political ideology for cryin’ out loud. When was the last time you heard either a religious or political heavy weight add an intellectually honest idea to any discussion. Keep in mind that both M. L. King and Malcom X have been dead for years. And how far back do we have to go for a political idea with any validity?
Noni,
what I have said, in no particular forum, is that fundamentalists are idolators because they worship “the written word”. it’s not the physcical book, but the words they think are the literal words of god.
at the risk of sounding self contradictory, it seems to me that Jesus himself warned against such literal interpretations (he spoke always in parables.. lest the wicked hear, and hearing turn and i should save them.)
Personally, I would have liked the pastor to burn those pages of the Koran he found particularly offensive, sort of like the Jefferson Bible.
Then, we could have discovered if infidels are suppopsed to be killed.
I find it particularly offensive that I will go to hell, since I believe Jesus was only a tremendous teacher.
But, hell I can handle better than being killed for my beliefs, or lack thereof.
In my opinion, I have traded eternity for sanity (although some of you “non believers” question my sanity).
I attend a Unitarian Universalist Church, and the largest attendance we ever had was when we discussed the Jefferson Bible.
For those of you who are unaware of this literature, Thomas Jefferson took out those parts of Scripture he found particularly offensive.
The way I deal with religion, personally, is to think about the white spaces in between the black letters.
That’s what we do at my second religion, Judaism, at our Chabad.
Chabad is an orthodox part of Judaism, which concentrates on both the oral and written Torahs.
And, you guys thought there was only one Torah!
Too bad we can’t do that for the Christian Scriptures, etc.
That’s why Unitarian Universalism provides the balance I need from the limitations of Chabad.
Don Levit
Great let’s do it! The problem is the Christians are used to having their religon pissed on, and will take it with a grain of salt, while the other will kill people!
Nice try to take the higher ground, but you can’t handle real debate about politics and religion, you can’t control your emotions.
Anybody who points to others and labels them as haters, is the hater, and that would be you!